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Any new info about Daytonagun?
« on: June 17, 2010, 10:33:36 AM »

So I've become really interested in the Daytonagun products recently but there seems to be a lack of info online that's not at least a year or two old.  The website (http://www.airsoftgasblowbacks.com/) does seem to get periodic updates but also has some dead links and things.  Does anyone know the current status of the company?  I saw some older info that said their custom shop was really backed up so it wasn't really worth trying, is that still the case?

As far as the quality of their work, does anyone here have some first hand info?  How easy to "drop in" are their kits?  How adjustable are things like FPS, ROF, etc?  I'd be worried that bigger OPs with strict FPS rules wouldn't let me use one of these if the FPS is super easy to change.

Thanks!
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 12:51:36 PM »

The FPS is adjusted by the air rig hooked up to the gun, you can either but theire or make your own. It would depend on the air-rig, some can be adjusted with your bare hands turning a knob, others would require an allen wrench to adjust.

The drop in kits are pretty straight forward, depending on the brand of gun you may need to do some modifications to make it fit right...

Daytona Gun's quality is the best on the market.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 12:57:15 PM »

You need to contact them for questions - their website isn't the most up-to-date. Still, Justin (I think he's owner) is very friendly, albeit some bad Engrish, and is willing to do any custom job for you.

Currently they do custom AK GBBR's as well as M249 dropin GBB gearboxes. I got an email from him a few days ago saying they're starting M4 and AK dropin GBB gearboxes soon.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 12:59:47 PM »

I knew they made AK drop in GBBR kits, but they are working on drop in GBB gearboxes now? Thats perfect!
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 01:02:46 PM »

Unfortunately, they only work with ARES/STAR M4's, since I'm guessing the special buffer tube design (STAR/ARES MBK's have screw-on buffer tubes just like RS weapons) makes it easier for Daytonagun to work with.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 01:05:53 PM »

*facepalm*

I'm gonna have to do this myself aren't I.

Back to topic.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 01:19:54 PM »

Whatever. My Recce is based off a STAR receiver, so I'm halfway there XD.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2010, 05:38:59 PM »

The FPS is adjusted by the air rig hooked up to the gun, you can either but theire or make your own. It would depend on the air-rig, some can be adjusted with your bare hands turning a knob, others would require an allen wrench to adjust.

Even with an allen wrench, that's just not that hard to carry on the field with you.  Does anyone know if any big name Ops have made any official rules about external gas guns like this?  I mean, I wouldn't trust just any random person to just pinky-swear not to mess with their air pressure... :-\

Thanks for all the great info!
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2010, 06:15:17 PM »

If there was any issue or complaint about your gun, a neutral game officer would simply check your FPS... sure you can turn it up after getting chronoed, but you can't turn it down without being seen when a game marshall walks up and asks to check it.

You should be OK. Just be sure to have a good consistant regulator, keep your velocity a little below the limit to allow buffer room, and try to have it that you need an allen tool for adjustments.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 02:11:10 AM »

The FPS is adjusted by the air rig hooked up to the gun [...]

On an escort gun, it isn't as easy as upping the pressure from your source like it is on a Tanaka converted to External air. Granted you need to operate at a set PSI for the gun to function, and Under this psi, the gun's system will fluster, Including FPS loss. After a certain point you are going to have diminishing returns and say 20-30 PSI over the ideal, you are going to have broken parts and worn internals. Like over boosting a turbo or a heavier grain load on your rifle... All in moderation.

If you look at the design, the function of the air is to FIRST blow the bolt back. As it reaches a certain point, the buffer, the nozzle is moved backwards and whatever residual air is left in the chamber and a lil more is pushed down the nozzle and fires the BB. When this is done, the input air is blocked and the recoil spring takes over a cycles the gun.

Increasing the pressure will put more strain and wear on your receiver and engine block than it will increase the fps. Does it increase? yes. Is it worth it? No.

Unlike traditional GBBR's, which fires First and then Blows the system back, The escort system will notice an increase in perceived recoil before the secondary action of firing hits.

Imagine like on a real rifle, the projectile is fired and THEN a bolt moves, aka a GBBR. On the Escort, Imagine the Projectile is still sitting in the chamber until the bolt moves to the furthest point rearward possible, and then it fires. Backward? Well in the 50ms time in which this takes place, you probably don't notice it at all. But it is what it is.

These engines are designed with balance in mind. screwing with this equation messes with other factors in the function.

Even with an allen wrench, that's just not that hard to carry on the field with you.  Does anyone know if any big name Ops have made any official rules about external gas guns like this?  I mean, I wouldn't trust just any random person to just pinky-swear not to mess with their air pressure... :-\

Thanks for all the great info!

Most guys run the Palmer's setup and the thumb knob is a life saver on the field and when you are tuning your gun. ( Tuning on the field because depending on your elevation or ambient temp. the expansion properties of the CO2 when you tuned your gun at the shop will differ on the field. Socal heat vs traveling to Cold High Desert for a game)

The John Lu Games are A-OK about External Gas guns and over the pond there games with them, Berget for example. If you have played on the west coast John Lu games, ( Mainly Lion Claws), You'll see a pair of brothers run some pretty wicked setups ( If you were there this year, The Opium Farmers) and many other players with Escort Saw's and etc. All in all, the control group is pretty small. There aren't many cheaters because the systems weren't designed to shoot this hard.

Can they shoot over the limit? Yes. But by simply Over cranking the psi? No, not really.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 12:16:42 PM »

The FPS and ROF are adjusted by the PSI input, there are limits to that yes, then guns basically max out at a certain PSI at which it will have the effects you listed above, however, the guns are make to operate within a range of pressure (90-130 PSI or something of that degree), it is inteneded that the user adjust the PSI within those limits in order to attain certain velocity or ROF. Cranking the PSI beyond those points may yield higher FPS, but will have negative effects as well.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2010, 10:47:19 AM »

Awesome, all that is good to hear.  I'll send an email in the near future and start saving up my pennies!

One thing I forgot to ask... Does the blowback action move the bolt on the exterior of the gun too?  Do you/Can you rack the bolt to chamber the first round and does it lock back on the last one?

Thanks!
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2010, 11:15:31 AM »

My question is this: Can an airsoft gun really take that kind of recoil?
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2010, 02:05:02 PM »

Awesome, all that is good to hear.  I'll send an email in the near future and start saving up my pennies!

One thing I forgot to ask... Does the blowback action move the bolt on the exterior of the gun too?  Do you/Can you rack the bolt to chamber the first round and does it lock back on the last one?

Thanks!

You will need to rack the bolt to load the first round ( or you can dry fire and load a round), but the bolt does not currently have a lock back feature.

My question is this: Can an airsoft gun really take that kind of recoil?

Certain platforms, yes. Like DG's Ak Kits.

If you want heavier recoil, it is better to build the engine into a Gun Parts kit. AKA 1919's, PPS 43's Stens, Lancaster, PPSH's or Carl Gustavs. (Complete/Partially Complete Customs I have handled) RPD has been done with an mp3 engine, AirsoftNY's,
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2010, 06:56:32 PM »

You will need to rack the bolt to load the first round ( or you can dry fire and load a round), but the bolt does not currently have a lock back feature.

Certain platforms, yes. Like DG's Ak Kits.

If you want heavier recoil, it is better to build the engine into a Gun Parts kit. AKA 1919's, PPS 43's Stens, Lancaster, PPSH's or Carl Gustavs. (Complete/Partially Complete Customs I have handled) RPD has been done with an mp3 engine, AirsoftNY's,
You seem to know a lot about this. Are you involved in/with DG?
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2010, 07:00:38 PM »

Prob not - I think DG is located in HK.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2010, 07:39:56 AM »

Mr. Blue all that time at AS4L turned you into a gas rat  :P  he's knows what he speaks about he been around since escort was just the mp5, stg,mg and armalite. daytona gun/justin all he did was buy a escort engine and made them on the after hours of the shop in HK. it's a side thing that quickly grew. the drop in engine are more economical he doesnt have to deal with assembling he engine in the gun. that's the end users problem. plus easier to ship and more discreet instead of having a room full of ak's laying around.

what people need to realize is that a classic gun is the safest form of an airsoft gun there is. you can crank an electric gun to unsafe speeds. if you over pressurize it you wear out the o-rings and quickly they pop if you keep pushing it. even worse yet is you blow the cylinder if you think it's a hero. the AK is best at 130-140 psi. no further at that point your damaging your gun and it's your own damn fault then.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2010, 10:34:20 AM »

^Reason why older/experienced airsofters use classics more often - on other forums I think frogfish, Nutz, and X_Lupin are just some of the ones I know who keep a very large collection. I recently got a MGC Calico M100 from X_Lupin - the internals are retardedly simple.
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2010, 12:34:38 PM »

You seem to know a lot about this. Are you involved in/with DG?

Nope = )  :D

Just very fortunate to have mentors/friends who are well knowledge in the engine = )

Mr. Blue all that time at AS4L turned you into a gas rat  :P  he's knows what he speaks about he been around since escort was just the mp5, stg,mg and armalite. [...]

HAHA, Think so? I still own 1 aeg  ;D Thanks for the kind words DRK.

^Reason why older/experienced airsofters use classics more often - on other forums I think frogfish, Nutz, and X_Lupin are just some of the ones I know who keep a very large collection. I recently got a MGC Calico M100 from X_Lupin - the internals are retardedly simple.

Yup, and once you understand it's basic principles, add an SCS and you'll be a very happy camper ( that conveyor Hi cap chamber is such a trip when you bring it to a CQB game. people never know what to make of it  ;D )
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2010, 01:25:27 PM »

It's an very interesting design. The only downside is the barrel is a bit too short for me - I'd like to fit a modified AEG barrel the whole length of the outer barrel somehow.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2010, 07:02:48 PM »

They mention that their bucking is made out of a different material than others- is this in order to prevent bucking freezing?
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2010, 10:21:42 PM »

It's an very interesting design. The only downside is the barrel is a bit too short for me - I'd like to fit a modified AEG barrel the whole length of the outer barrel somehow.
SCS + Tightbore leads to some crazy FPS gains. the Stock barrels are slightly larger than an AEG, nothing tape cant fix.

They mention that their bucking is made out of a different material than others- is this in order to prevent bucking freezing?

Escort buckings in general are different in comparison to a stock aeg one.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2010, 10:26:49 PM »

By SCS, do you mean the SCS nub? How would I modify the assembly to accept a hopup assembly? Thought these guns had no hopup.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2010, 10:30:22 PM »

Thread jackers! Take it to PM.  ;)

Your conversation is making this thread confusing. DG (Daytona Gun) guns use AEG standard barrels and hop-up set ups, the gun Azn and Blue are talking about is a different classic gun that Azn has. Just clarifying for anyone who might be reading this.
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Re: Any new info about Daytonagun?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2010, 08:07:30 AM »

Thank you, that was confusing me actually!  ???

I sent a message using the online "Email Me" thing and haven't gotten a response yet.  I know it's only been a few days so he probably just hasn't gotten to my message yet but can anyone tell me if there is a better way to contact him?  Or is that form the best way?
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