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heres my latest project gun its based off a lpeg BIM4 and has a home made aluminum outter barrel and a chopped inner barrel. im contemplating on wether or not to chop the stock tube off.




im still working on putting a rail mount, verticle forward grip and flashider on the gun. more pics will be up later.

the name is obviously a play on the dpms kitty kat but since my gun is shorter than a kitty i decided to call it a bitty kat.

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brand new with the plastic wrap still intact. this is everything you get with the gun.


i ordered from pax trading which has a 100$ min, these are the other guns i ordered. they will be project guns.


BIM4 with TM chopped carry handle.


BIM4 with mock scope and flashlight. scope and flashlight are NOT included with the package.


BIM4 with GP AimPoint reddot sight and chopped carry handle. red dot NOT included.


BIM4 LE.


to install the BIM203 follow Burkes instructions: http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=7557.75 but screw in the two screws at the base of the barrel collar(red arrow). these will keep the m203 from shifting left and right.


BIM203 battery compartment.


business end of the 203.


LE stock, compared to TM its lighter and weaker plastic.


LMT Crane stock same plastic as the LE stock. seems like it can be mod'd to accept a AA celled battery pack.


BIM203 magazine. the m203 actually doesnt shoot too bad but i wasnt expecting much.


BIM4 carry handle vs. TM. contrary to what is reported in ViperCLKGTR's review its not all metal. in fact its almost all plastic, only metal parts is the large windage knob and and one side of the lower rail atachment. not sure how anyone could mistake it for metal. the screw is a dead giveaway that this is a lower end gun.


other side.


the external screw holes are well hidden.


its got a removeable buffer tube just like the TM. the screw they use to hold it in place seems shorter than the tm screw. im pretty sure that the BIM4 complete stock assembly can be made to work on a TM or TM clone gun.


dont ever let that dust cover down cause it looks kinda ugly and not very realistic. pulling on the charging handle will make the dust cover flip opne just like on a TM. sadly there is no fake bolt covering the gearbox and hop unit.


front sight and threaded barrel extension is made of plastic the rest of the outter barrel is metal. boyi should have threaded the barrel down further and make the extension longer so that it would be convertable from cqb to carbine length.


theres a slight gap betweent he body and the outter barrel, you can wrap some tape around the base of the barrel to fill the gap up. this will help with the slight wobble.


rail interface, its all plastic with screwed on rails.


first mod, m500 styled handguard.


custom modified rail mounted on the hadguard.

- external observations complete -













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heres some test numbers and info on a Well R6 that ive been working with. all i have is the well r6 gearbox, motor and hop unit, i tested the gearbox in a TM m4 body with complete TM hop unit and barrel(R6 hop doesnt fit TM body w/o mods) so the numbers might be different when the gearbox is installed back in the R6 body with Well hop and barrel.

the gearbox was shipped to me from flea (memeber here at asr) disassembled so i didnt have the chance to chrono it in factory stock form. you might remember flea from his "gearbox and hell looks alot alike right now" thread about his adventures in mechabox land.

if there are any aim4 or src v.3 owners reading this and want similar work/test done to their gun please PM me. i will do the tests, inspections and install any upgrade parts(you provide) free of charge, all you pay is shipping for the round trip. all info/pics will be posted in this thread. please PM me for more details and conditions, all i need is one stock src v.3 and one stock aim4, i wont do anymore than that. if i can get that info up in this thread it could help alot of people deciding on what m4 style gun to buy. when the next wave of "m4 vs. m4" threads come up we can just point them to a few well thought out threads instead of saying "search noob!". if i get two volunteers i'll rename the thread to something easily found in the search engine.

for this post i will try to keep my personal opions out of it and just post the information. i will let you know what is different from the tm m4 and if parts plain suck i will let you know.

General info

Gun: Well R6
Retail Price:  avg 100$ (packaged with batt charger and highcap)
TM Compatitble Mags: No needs minor modifications or TM/SRC lower.
TM Exterior Parts Compatibility: Some but very little. FOr example, if you want to use a TM/SRC lower you would need to replace the stock assembly as well. if you want to use a metal body youd need a new front end and stock set.
Exterior Materials: Mostly Plastic.
Gearbox: Version 2 Copy.


this is what the box looked like when it was sent to me. there was alot of damage to the gearbox due to incorrect reassembly by the owner. the box was also missing a few critical parts.


the R6 box.


R6 box completely disassembled prior to cleaning. you can see some damage to the gearbox shell from the sector gear due to user reassembly error.


R6 box vs. TM box, no difference right?(sarcasm).


bad casting of the gearbox shell.


damaged gearbox due to user error. bad shimming and missing pieces does this.


Well R6 cylinderhead tube, ribbed for her pleasure but not for good air sealing. notice difference in the placement of the oring and the overall length of the cylinderhead.


Well R6 cylinder, not the best. rough machine lines and not very smooth or shiney. the inside area where the cylinder hole is cut is damaged slightly.


Well R6 pistonhead oring, its both smaller in diameter and thinner vs. TM. the pic makes the TM one looks smaller than it really is.


Well R6 sector gear(top) and bevel gear(bottom). TM spur gear(middle). notice how the Well gear axles are not round and doenst sit in the bushings normally like the TM gear does.


oops...


TM anti rev latch in R6 box will not close completely. it needs to be shaved down to properly fit the gearbox.




i start to do some fine tuning of the Well box. the cylinder has been polished and cleaned.


chrono test with all stock parts. regreased, reshimmed, fine tuned by me. low of 280fps with a high of 295fps. rate of fire with 9.6v 1050mah battery is 17rps. my tm m4s in stock form shooting a near identical .8j does 20 rounds per second on the exact same pack. youd need a 10.8 pack to get the same performance(+3rps) as a tm with the r6. the poor gearbox casting(piston rails etc), poor gear mesh and lower quality motor shows itself in this performance category. 17rps is not bad and acceptable to most users but the gun should be shooting faster at this fps.

the fps is surprising since most reports put the R6 at 220-240fps stock. maybe flea got the opposite of a lemon(until it broke)?  :-\ or maybe its the tm hop unit and barrel.

with TM oring +5 fps, shots more consistant(smaller range between low fps and high fps readings). needs more testing.


chrono test with custom 400p spring + tm type-0 cylinder + TM oring. the spring does 395fps in a TM m4s.system and over 400fps in a TM Ak47, both with all stock internals, in the R6 its at 349fps average. with the stock Well cylinder the gun shoots about 6-9fps lower.

the R6 pulls the 400fps spring easily enough with a 9.6v battery and will also turn the spring over with a 7.2v battery with all stock wiring. good shimming trumps rewiring and speaking of shims, the stock ones are a joke. if you open the box replace them immediately.

more pics and info forthcoming.

update*


size diff or gearboxes, dont worry about the nozzle, the tm box's nozzle is in the retracted position so it looks much shoter. in reality its only about 1-2mm shorter.


the bushing hole gap when using 6mm bushings. the bushings are k2 machined stainless steel.


versus tm m4.


the stock well r6 spring does 328fps in a stock tm gerbox. compare that to the r6 readings of 295fps. the well works harder the tm works smarter.


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Gun Modifications/Parts/Accessories / M4 CQB-S Scarab (56k Killa)
« on: April 29, 2006, 08:47:33 PM »
check out this mock up of my new cqb weapon:


quick detatch mp5 front sight, custom shot barrel, g36c flashider, ics rear flip up sight.


big bro and little bro.


snipers best friend, the gun pack.

the gun needs a new body, the upper in the pics is a broken hurricane metal body. i bought the gun used and broken from mustang who is a fellow asr member. heres pics of some random broken stuff.





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its not really a pattern per se because i tried to keep it as random as possible. i call it the fade pattern as all the colors are faded ito the next there are no hard edged lines on the gun. it was done freehanded and freestyled with spray cans. i didnt have a pattern in mind when i started painting, i was just trying out new ways of painting.

there are only three colors in this scheme, black, tan and olive drab. im going to change the colors to dark gray, field green and dark earth in the final versions. let me know what you guys think:

heres what i started with:


base coat of tan with first layer of black paint. msot of this black will be covered when finished.


here it is finished, i didnt get pics of the process but it involed putting on alot of green after the black then more tan to top it all off.


heres the other side of the stock.


this is my uhc mp5 test painted in the new pattern.


finished mp5. im going to do the pattern on my new m4 project gun with the new colors listed above.

the pattern is very similar to german flecktarn/tropetarn but with less colors and larger spots. these pics dont really show the detail and complexity of the paintjob, ill try to get better ones up later if anyone is interested.

btw, this pattern was made for california style enviroments.

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EBB/Mini-Electric/LPEG/AEP / BE XM8 Upgrade Guide (56K Killa)
« on: March 17, 2006, 05:33:51 PM »


Introduction:

The following information was posted in AirsoftRetreat.com Version 2. It originally included a review but I have decided to cut that part out in this revised version. The original ended up being a 17 page monster with many discussions going off topic (ie bignaz getting completely pwned) but it also contained lots of good info shared by other member's. If you want to read the original you can find it here on ASR V.2:

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/oldforums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=87937

It is the longest(17 pages), most viewed(25115) and most replied(413) to thread in the whole LPEG section there(pats self on back). 8)

This version will only include the Upgrade Guides from the original thread, the rest will be new or revised information with new/revised pictures. Heres how this post is going to be broken down:

Introduction
Brief Overview of the Stock BE Gearbox
Upgrade Guide: Stock Parts
Upgrade Guide: The Cylinder Unit
Upgrade Guide: The Drive System
Upgrade Guide: Hop Up Chamber and Barrel
Update on Upgraded BE Gearbox
Upgrade Guide: Bodywork
Upgrade Guide: Repairing
Conclusion
Picture/Video Gallery
Links and Information

Almost all of the gearbox information contained here is applicable to the BE AUG.



Brief Overview of the BE Gearbox:

The stock BE box (both the XM8 and AUG versions) are copies of the Tokyo Marui version 3 gearbox with a few differences. The main difference is the fact that the BE box made of mostly plastic. All changes that BE implemented are mainly for cost savings:

- All plastic construction, only metal parts in the box are the springs, screws and gear axles.

- Non removeable motor cage.

- One piece cylinder unit vs. multi piece construction on the TM gearbox.

- Molded in bushings, non removeable.

- Additional two screws along the top of the gearbox vs. stopper rail on the TM.

- Simplified semi auto cut off assembly.

As a result of these changes the BE box is about half as strong as the metal version 3 gearbox. The stock TM V.3 gearbox shell can take up to 600fps without cracking, the BE's limit is about 1 joule or 328fps and I would put maximum reliable fps at about 300fps w. 0.20g. Contrary to popular belief the weakness in the BE gearbox is not the plastic gears but the plastic box itself. The two retaining nubs that hold the cylinder head in place are very small and connects to a thin area of the gearbox. When too much force is applied to them they will snap right off. I have been warning about this since I've first seen the BE gearbox and experienced the problem first hand after testing the limits of the BE box.


BE on the top @ 6.5 inches and TM on bottom @ 6 inches. Wire is slightly thicker and coild more spaced apart on the BE spring.

The stock version 2 BE XM8 shoots about 250fps out of the box which is about 30fps less than a TM AEG. The difference between the two is that the TM uses a softer spring to make more FPS and the BE XM uses a relatively heavy spring to make less FPS. The reason for this is because the BE gearbox is less effcient at pumping air and allows air to leak in many places. To improve the power without sacrificing reliability we will have to address the inherent ineffciencies in the system as a whole.

Upgrade Guide: Improving Stock Parts

There isnt much you can do with the stock cylinder unit to make it more effcient. One of the first upgrades you should do is regrease the cylinder and pistonhead with silicone oil. It's slicker than the original grease and provides good sealing. Doing this will increase the ROF and if youre lucky itll slightly improve the pistonhead/cylinder compression. Next thing is porting the stock pistonhead, this mod is a must for better sealing if you are planning on keeping all the stock internal parts. A stock AEG piston oring will fit in the BE cylinder unit but its kinda tight so I didnt run it like that. The stock oring is just a bit thinner than a AEG spring but its enough extra friction to lower your ROF.

This is how the pistonhead should look once youve ported it. It isnt hard to do and doesnt require special tools, you can do it with a hot nail and a pair of sisscors. Use the nail to make the holes and the sisscors to cut the rubber pad.

Even with the ported pistonhead, relubed cylinder and stretched oring the air nozzle will leak some air and something needs to be done about it if you want the best effciency from the gearbox as possible. I couldnt think of anything easily done that would help so I upgraded the whole cylinder unit and this brings us to...

Upgrade Guide: The Cylinder Unit

*Upgrading any one part to TM spec'd parts will require upgrading other parts for correct fitment. For example, you cannot upgrade only the piston or pistonhead, you need all the other corresponding parts for the upgrade to work properly.*

The BE psiton is longer and has a shorter stroke(one less tooth) than the TM counterpart. To fit a TM spec'd piston into the BE gearbox is very easy if you arent upgrading to a metal gear set. If you plan on sticking with the stock gears all you need to do is get a TM piston or any piston made for a TM that has only one metal tooth and take off the metal tooth. You dont even have to cut anything just slide the tooth off or buy a Guarder economy piston which is what the piston should look like once youre done with it.



I know some of you guys may be asking why upgrade the piston when the problem is compression? Well the answer is simple, you cant just stick a TM piston head on a BE piston body to improve compression. As I mentioned earlier the BE piston is longer than the TM and simply slapping a TM piston head on would cause you to strip your gears if the gun is fired. Once the you have the correct piston you can mount the TM spec'd piston head on it.


BE to the left TM on the right.


The complete piston set should look like this.

With the new piston assembly you can now install a TM cylinder, cylinderhead and air nozzle. You cannot use the stock air nozzle with the new parts its wayyy too loose. Here are some helpful suggestions:

Cylinder - You will need a one made for the M4, its called a Type-2 cylinder if youre using a TM and a Type-1 if you buy Systema.

Cylinderhead - If youre using stock TM cylinderhead both the Version 2 and 3 will fit. For aftermarket you will want a version 3 AUG/G36 specific cylinderhead. It is the one with the longer nozzle tube.

Nozzle - If you get TM stay with a TM nozzle. For upgrade parts stick with the same manufacturer as the cylinderhead. For example, if you get a HurricanE cylinderhead get a HurricanE nozzle. You will need a nozzle made for the TM G36C.


This pic illustrates the amount of play the stock nozzle has on the new cylinder head.

The BE spring is wider than a stock TM spring and PDI aftermarket springs. Depending on the type of piston you choose to use you may find that the stock BE spring will no longer fit back into the piston (dont force and say it fits its gonna bind once you try to shoot it). To test the fit try to compress the spring (with spring guide on the end) into the piston, the spring guide should be able to touch the piston body. If it doesnt you have two options, bore out the hole in the piston to fit the spring or buy a new spring, I decided on a stock TM spring to keep with the effciency theme.

The spring guide is the only part you dont need to replace in the Cylinder Unit upgrade.


Spring guides from top to bottom: TM V3 for AUG/AK/SIG, BE XM8, TM V3 for G36c/Mp5K. Notice the molded in spacer. Both TM V3 spring guides will fit the BE box.

With these upgrades and the stock TM spring I am getting better power and range than the stock gun. The stock spring was stronger than the Marui but due to ineffciencies in the cylinder set you loose alot of that power. The upgrade I have installed has boosted the fps with no loss in ROF and zero loss of durability. Durability may be even better than stock cause
of the lighter tension spring.

Total estimated cost of upgrade is about 40-50$ depending on what you need to buy. For me it was free since all the parts are spare TM stuff from my parts bins.


Upgraded and ready to rock.

Upgrade Guide: The Drive System

Also known as the gears or drive train. Now remember what I said earlier about the limits of the BE gearbox, maximum reliable fps is at about 300-328fps. The stock gears will be able to take those power level easily, a set of TM gears will be able to handle up to 425fps but the BE gearbox can not. So is it worth it to upgrade the gears? Personally my answer is no, for the cost of a set of gears (even TM ones) and the time it takes to install them the gains are not worth it. I would rather buy a spare XM8 box (they are available now) than spend the money on metal gears. However if you still want metal gears or if you already have a set laying around that you want to install here is how to go about it.

There are two ways you can run metal gears. With the stock BE cylinder unit or with a upgraded TM cylinder unit(the upgrade shown earlier).

Metal gears with stock Cylinder Unit

What you need

-Metal Pinion Gear,
-Metal Gear Set
-Shims
-File or Dremel tool

First take the stock plastic pinion gear off and fit the metal one on. Take the sector gear and dremel off the largest tooth. This will correct for the shorter stroke and is actually a modification some people do on high rof guns to prevent the gun from stripping pistons ( http://pageproducer.arczip.com/daedalus03/speed.html) sector gear will be weakend if you are using a stock tm gearset, for aftermarket gears there wont be any durability issues since all teeth are the same thickness. BE piston will be under more stress because of all plastic construction riding on metal gears.


Dremel or file this fatter tooth down flat.

This is the low cost way and doesnt require replacing the whole cylinder unit, only the drive system is changed.

Metal Gears with Upgraded Cylinder Unit

The second way is more costly but is the better option if you want metal gears. It requires replacing almost the all BE internals with TM spec'd internals. Heres a list of what you'll need

-AEG metal gear set
-AEG Pinion gear
-TM spec'd cylinder unit (complete with piston, pist.head, cylinder, cyl.head, nozzle). spring guide and tappet plate could be -reused, the tappet plate is under more stress so that would be a higher priority item than the spring guide. Youll need a normal AEG piston with all the teeth intact. If you did the cylinder unit mod I posted earlier youll have to put that metal tooth back on or find one. Stock TM piston reccomended, they are good up to 400fps and I dont think the BE box should be upgraded anywhere near that so its strong enough.
-Shims

Upgrade Guide: Hop Up Chamber and Barrel

The BE hop up chamber is a modified copy of the TM G36C part. The changes are small but enough to make the two parts non interchangeable. You will lose fps if you change the hop up unit for a TM one. This means that we are stuck using the BE chamber which is not great but can be improved upon. To bring it up to TM-ish standards there are a few issues that need to be addressed.


BE Version 1 hop up unit compared to the TM G36C hop up unit. The BE Version 2's are reported to have black hop ups.

To improve the stock hop chamber the first thing you will want to upgrade is the hop up buckings. The stock parts are poorly made, fragile and easily torn/ripped when changing to a new barrel. I would reccomend upgrading to something like a TM stock bucking set or a Guarder set, you dont need the expensive KM, Prometheus or Firefly buckings but if you can afford it they are better. A new set of bucking will help out with the responsiveness of the hop up and air seal.

The BE hop unit has a shorter arm and that results in less hop up, you have to turn the dial very high to get a good setting(at least on my gun). There are a few easy solutions to the problem but I decided to do a more complicated modification.


The modified solid v-hop up arm compared to the TM G36C.


Different view of the v-hop mod.


Completed v-hop modification.

As I said earlier there are easier ways to get more hop up at a lower setting. One way is to simply shim the round bucking.

The hop chamber can be improved but the barrel is a differnt story, the thing looks like a mess. Cheap materials and bad construction practically guarantees youll end up with a sorry barrel. I suggest changing it out as soon as you can. A stock TM, cheap tight bore (ie. Systema, Madbull etc) or even the SRC M4 barrel will do wonders for your accuracy and will provide a fps boost. To fit a longer M4 length barrel you will need to modifiy the flashider so that the barrel can pass through.


Stock barrel hop up cut out. Very uneven cuts and scratched inside the barrel.


Shave the inner right angles so that the barrel is able to clear the flashider prongs. This modification is also reccomended to all BE XM8's even if you dont intend on upgrading the barrel. The stock flashider prongs interfer with the bb's when the gun is being shot. The bb's hitting the flashider will cause irratic shot dispertion and your accuracy go down the drain.


The TM M4 length barrel is longer than stock and some of it will show through the flashider.


Here is a reference photo just in case you forget how to put the hop up back together. The unit pictured is from a G36c but the BE takes down and assembles exactly the same way.

Update on Upgraded BE Gearbox

I've lost count of how many rounds have been fired from this gun but it is a good amount. My gun has been upgraded with many different set ups including a 350fps tune up which lead to the destruction of one of the cylinder head retaining nubs.


The gears after about 4 months of use with various upgrades up to 350fps. They still look good and dont have much wear on them at all which is surprising. Quality of the installtion of the upgrade is important to the overall durability, if you install the upgrades carelessly your gearbox could fail much earlier.


The damage to the cylinder retaining nub. On my gun both sides are broken, the gun will continue to work with both nubs gone but its better to fix them.

Upgrade Guide: Bodywork



This section will focus on what I did to make the BE XM8 look more realistic. Other misc body work such as making the XM8 accept TM/Ca G36c mags will also be included here. I wont get into too much details about these mods, you can figure them out yourself easily. FOr the mag mods there is a easier way to do it and its detailed here: https://www.evike.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=W&Product_Code=AEG_BE_XM8&Category_Code= at the very bottom of the gun description. There is another method posted here in the old LPEG section: http://www.airsoftretreat.com/oldforums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=91866&SearchTerms=XM8,G36,mag


diagram by ZGMF-X20A of the Filipino Airsoft forums. Image has been cropped.


Magazine comparison. TM to the left and BE at right.


Reference photos of the improved XM8(real steel).


Rubberized buttstock.


Rubberized handguard.

The product I used: http://www.duplicolor.com/products/undercoating.html


Painted OD with Krylon Camo Paint.


Painted PCAPS.

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