Topic: KWA G23f Spring Question (Read 1891 times)

CatfishJoe · « **on:** July 23, 2006, 09:48:33 PM »

Hello, I have a quick question. I've been looking at getting either the 18c or the 23f. It's been a hard choice. I like the look of the fluted barrel of the 18c and the number of available upgrades. I like how the G23f has the HW frame. I have some questions. How do the two guns feel, like which one feels better? And also would the G19 recoil spring work in the G23? I would like to install the spring on which ever one I got. Some people have said that the G23 has fixed the problems that were in the G18, what are they? In one better than the other, cause if there about the same then that would help with the decision. Now I've done tons and tons of researching and I'm just wondering what you guys have to say.

yamo1231 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2006, 09:56:42 PM »

I have a KWA G23F and i love it. The blowback is crisp and has and you can empty a full extended mag on full auto (with some cooldown). My main disappointment with the gun is the lack of a threaded barrel. Most G19 parts (recoil springs, hammer springs, etc.) should fit because both guns use the same size lower frame.

holygl0ckerz! · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2006, 11:37:36 PM »

The G18C recoil spring should not work in the G23F because the G18 is the same is larger than the G23, as it has the same frame as the G17. As Yamo1231 said, the G23F should beable to use any parts made for the G19 as they are the same size.

xortist · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2006, 11:00:54 AM »

the 18c doesnt have a HW frame? hm i didnt kno that

i heard that the g18c has a plastic loading ramp, while the 23f/19 have a metal one...

Sir Aug of M14 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2006, 11:12:24 AM »

I'm using a G19 recoil spring in my G23f and it works.
As for the feel of the two guns, I chose 23 over 18 because the 18 feels like a toy. The plastic is really light and feels IMO to be very cheap. I prefer the rigid feeling of the G19 and G23 to the ABS plastic of the G18.

CatfishJoe · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2006, 11:32:47 AM »

OK, thanks for all of the comments. I'll be getting the G23f, just because it seems better and has the HW frame. So how much more recoil do you get with the recoil spring upgrade? Is it easy to install?

Sir Aug of M14 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2006, 02:14:01 PM »

It is the easiest upgrade to install, ever. You eject the mag, push the dissasembly switch, take the slide off, and it's the first thing you see to take off. There is a little rubber peice that you take off of the stock spring, and slide onto the new one. Then you put the new piece with rubber in the spot where the old one was, and put the slide back on. You can do it in 30 seconds if you've never done it before and don't know what you are doing. Also, it requires no tools.

CatfishJoe · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2006, 02:32:26 PM »

OK, thanks, and I can use the G19 spring in it. Also, are there any other upgrades that I can do with it? That was part of the reason why I was looking at the G18c also, because of all the upgrades. But, the G23f seems to be built better and feel better. It just sucks because I like the looks of the G18c better than the G23.

Discpl3 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2006, 02:35:47 PM »

well the only problem i ever heard of that the G18C had was the plastic loading ramp. im sure yuo could find a metal one to buy seperately if a plastic one really bothers you that much and the G19's HW frame is way overrated it doesn't feel much different from the g17/18C frame.

CatfishJoe · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2006, 02:43:09 PM »

OK, now I'm confused. Sir Aug said that the G18c feels like a toy, is light, and feels cheap, and that the frame on the G23f feels alot better. So is it that much of a difference that I need to worry about it? Also is the plastic loading ramp the only thing that was fixed with the 23?

Sir Aug of M14 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 24, 2006, 02:50:47 PM »

Yeah there are a ton of upgrades for it, anything you can do with the G18c you can do with the G23f, except mock silencers, I don't know if they make threaded barrels for the G23f.

If you prefer the G18c, you should get it. It is not a bad gun, and the cheap feeling of the ABS plastic isn't far off of the cheap feeling of a real Glock. Check out www.dentrinity.com, www.uncompany.com, and www.wgcshop.com for G18c parts, and use the search tool on this forum to find out practically anything about the KSC G18c.

Oh don't worry about the frame of the G18c, it isn't ever going to break or anything. It just doesn't feel as nice in your hands is all.

CatfishJoe · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2006, 03:31:09 PM »

OK, thanks man. When you say it doesn't feel as nice, how much nicer does the G23f? Is it that much nodicable? By cheap feeling do you mean it's weight, because I really don't want a cheap feeling gun. I've been leaning towards the G18c, but if it doesn't feel good, then that's a problem.

airsoftperson · « **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:24:20 PM »

Quote from: xortist on July 24, 2006, 11:00:54 AM

the 18c doesnt have a HW frame? hm i didnt kno that

i heard that the g18c has a plastic loading ramp, while the 23f/19 have a metal one...

My G18c has a metal loading ramp, and what is a HW frame? Heavy weight frame? And what the heck is the differnce between a non-HW frame and a HW frame?

Discpl3 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:26:32 PM »

HW material is supposed to feel stronger and heavier than regualr ABSbut they don't really feel that much different from each other. and both of my G18C's have plastic loading ramps and so does my friends KSC G19.

holygl0ckerz! · « **Reply #14 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:57:18 PM »

the HW frame is stronger due to additives in the ABS. So even though there is not much of a difference in feel, the HW frames are slightly stronger than normal frames.

Sir Aug of M14 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2006, 12:29:13 PM »

They feel sorta cold to the touch as if they have some sort of metal mixed into the plastic. I think they feel 300% nicer just because of that. The material feels nicer than the frames of my real polymer framed pistols, it's pretty sweet. Either gun is awesome though, it's not like you are going to pick one of the two and it's going to be terrible.

holygl0ckerz! · « **Reply #16 on:** July 25, 2006, 04:18:20 PM »

I agree with sir aug, though having a HW model feels better doesn't mean that a non HW model is infearior. <- please excuse my bad spelling

CatfishJoe · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2006, 04:27:04 PM »

OK, I'll be getting the G18c. The feel just isn't that much to worry about, and I like the looks of the 18 better. I have a question, where can I get the Rubber Hogue Grips. They look comfortable and I would like to get one. Also how much does the 18 weight, and how much more does the 23 weight? Is the feel of the G18c bad, or just not as good?

holygl0ckerz! · « **Reply #18 on:** July 26, 2006, 12:31:40 AM »

I don't know where you can buy the grips but I can tell you the weights: The G18c weighs 665g/1.46pounds. On the other hand, the G23F weighs slightly more at 780g/1.71pounds. Hope this helps!

CatfishJoe · « **Reply #19 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:46:17 AM »

OK thanks, so it's not that much of a difference. One more question, where can I get just a silver outer barrel for the 18, and does it have to be threaded? I like the look of it with the black slide and silver outer barrel. Also, where can I get a lighter blow-back chamber.

holygl0ckerz! · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2006, 09:38:22 PM »

I think that the only way you can get a non threaded silver outer barrel is to polish it yourself.

CatfishJoe · « **Reply #21 on:** July 27, 2006, 11:20:25 AM »

OK thanks, I'm pretty much set, and I'm going to get the G18c unless I somehow change my mind in a week. My friend wanted me to get the 23 because he said it was more reliable, but I just like the looks of the G18c's compesated barrel and slide. I just don't like the fluted barrel of the 23 with those circle cut outs. So which one is more reliable and better built, the 18c or the g23f?

chenmeister · « **Reply #22 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:39:02 PM »

ok, i'm gonna try and change your mind last minute.
from all my research from the glocks, i have found out that the glock23f is newer and has less flaws on it. there is a common problem many people have with the glock 18c. For many of the glock18's, people say that the slide will cycle and almost return to it's normal position, stopping short therefore not cocking the "hammer" and the slide must be pushed forward for a click sound. this only happens on semi, full auto does not have this problem.
there are also a couple more problems with the glock18 out there that are pretty common so watch out for that.
if your glock18 or wtv comes with a plastic loading ramp, you can get a metal one for a couple bucks i think. shouldn't be that expensive.
i think that the glock 23f feels better compared to the glock18 because of it's compactivity and how there are nice grooves for your fingers. g23f is also more compact so everything is.....more compact. lol. so it gives a heavier feel not liek the g18 where everything is spread out more causing it to feel lighter (which it is) and more like a "toy" as mentioned above.
performance wise, the glock 18c SHOULD have better range, accuracy, and higher fps since it has a longer barrel. but just by a bit. however, you must remember that the slide is also longer and supposingly heavier which will take more gas and also put more pressure on its internal parts. but that's just my theory.
now the thing about upgrades and parts. he g17 and g18 are the same size just the diffference between full auto and no full auto capabilities. same witht he g19 and g23f, so all the parts should fit.

i myself was in your position about 2 years ago. i liked the glock19 but i wanted full auto capabilities and i wanted to get the kwa g18, but i wanted a little more compactblity so after a LOT of research, i ended up with my kwa glock23f which i've had for almost an year. i love my glock, i think it was worth every penny of the 135 bucks that i got it for. there are a few minor problems that i was able to fix like double feeding, but it was no biggy. fixed it right back up.
even thought my g23f has a rather short barrel, the accuracy and power (when it was stock w/ no upgrades) was awsome. it would out shoot many stock aegs. including my friend's ca m15a4.
after a while, i put some upgrades on it: 6.04 tightbore barrel, enhanced recoil spring, firefly rocket valve(an issue for automatic glocks, the cheap, plastic, stock, valve in the chamer breaks after a while on full auto, mine broke, but i immediatly replaced it with the firefly rocket valve which is metal) and hurricane hi flow valve.
my glock now shoots at 350 to 375 fps, with a LOT of recoil, sound, and extreme accuracy (for a pistol)

i'm not trying to discourage you from buying the g18, i'm just giving you my opinion and conclusion after all my research. the glock18 is a really nice gun and are very succesful on the field, but i think that g23f works better... i have friends with g18's and they are nice and shoot well, not many problems. it's still a nice decision if you choose it over the g23. if you still like the g18 over the g23f, then go for it. but just remember wat i told you in this fricking long post i'm giving you here. it may sound like i have nothing to do and that i'm full of my glock but i'm writing all this because it would have been nice if some told me all this saving me lots of time when i was doing my research.

btw, you can get "the goul" on AR to polish your outer-barrel for you if you want. he does a really nice job.

have fun choosing.

~chenmeister~

holygl0ckerz! · « **Reply #23 on:** July 27, 2006, 03:07:30 PM »

I don't know about you catfish, but I think that now I wan't a G23F!

Sir Aug of M14 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 27, 2006, 05:24:22 PM »

Oh man, also the G23f has a hybrid slide. The compensator holes are all built into the barrel, and the front site as well. I think that's cooler than the regular compensator holes cut right through the barrel AND slide.

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