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« on: October 15, 2006, 09:51:09 pm »

This is my first gun review, so please bear with me.
The A&K M4 S-System is one of the many recent AEG clones out of China. However, it's quality is better than most MPEGs, even to the level that I'd call it an AEG. I bought mine from Airsoft GI with an M100 and steel bushings upgrade. Here goes-

A&K M4 S-System AEG


First impressions:
Heavy! Since all the RIS (and some other parts) is metal, the gun is pretty heavy. I also noticed that the handguard is pretty big, a lot bigger than a normal M4's. I was very impressed looking and holding it for the first time.

The box it came in-



Inside the box-



It came with the gun (of course), manual (rather detailed, with decent English), some paper targets, small screwdriver, un-jamming rod, a metal midcap magazine, a battery, charger, nice speedloader, a little baggy of actually good bbs, front sling mount, and front sight adjustment tool.


Appearance:
This gun looks great, the plastic is good and the metal isn't crappy. If you were to put this gun next to the Tokyo Marui version, I honestly believe that you'd have to look twice to distinguish one from the other. That's about it, I can't say anything bad about the looks. Some people don't like the "fake" trades, or find them annoying; they don't bother me at all. I'd rather have fake trademarks that are there, than have realistic trademarks that have been burned/scratched off...
Here's a picture of the trades-


Left side, sights down, stock in-


Right side, sights up, stock out-



Feel:
The gun feels very good and solid. The weight of the A&K is probably very close to that of the real thing. The plastic feels smooth and sturdy.


Build quality:
This is a well built gun, especially for the price. As earlier stated, the plastic and metal aren't cheesy, and they're sturdy. The only weak thing I can see on the gun is the forward assist knob, which could pop out someday (but could probably be put back in, and isn't a big deal). The other thing is that the upper RIS pin keeps sliding out, so I just took it off and put it somewhere safe. This hasn't seemed to affect anything, as the RIS is screwed in securely in several places. The whole RIS system is metal, and so is the outer barrel. Other metal parts include: sights, mag release button, dust cover, charging handle, sling mounts, trigger, selector switch, s-buffer, and screws. For the price, a very well built gun. **Update** Yesterday, ~1 month after buying the M4, I leaned my gun down against a dresser while I got something in my room, and it fell- resulting in the upper receiver tabs breaking off. The impact shouldn't have been too hard, and it was on carpet, but from what I'm hearing this seems to be a common problem with the A&K M4-S. Here's a picture, the plastic tabs snapped off-


Here's a link that might help if this happens (I roughly followed it to fix my M4), even though it's in Japanese-
http://www.interq.or.jp/tokyo/akishino/factory/M4%20Frame%20Lock%20Pin%20Restoration/Lock%20Pin%20Restoration.htm


Function:
The gun fires well, which I'll get into on the next section. The sights are fully adjustable for perfect accuracy, and fold up and down well. The battery fits in the handguard very well (and much better than my last MPEG- a UTG MP5...), and changing the battery out is quick and painless. Like the real thing, this gun has many moving parts. Moving parts (besides the obvious ones) include the folding sights, charging handle, forward assist knob, dust cover, and trigger guard. The charging handle is smooth to pull back and gives a resounding clank when let go of (and when the dust cover flies open). All the moving parts work well.


Performance:
I don't have a chronograph, so I can't say exactly what it's fps is (although it wouldn't matter much because I have a M100 in it). The range and power of the gun are very good. I can easily hit a man-sized target at ~120 feet, this is greatly influenced by the stock tightbore barrel. It has adjustable hopup, like most guns these days, located under the dust cover-


The gun's performance is rather impressive for only having an 1100 mAh 8.4V battery. It's pretty loud and high pitched when it fires, not sure if that's good, bad, or means nothing. So far, the gun has performed well, with few misfeeds or double feeds.


Accessories:
As this gun is full of RIS, it's external add-ons are nearly limitless. The gun's stock can be exchanged for a full or crane stock, if desired. The compensator will screw off, allowing for mock silencers or other compensators to be added to the weapon. A kind of neat thing is that you can still use the iron sights if you have a big enough (30 or 40mm) red dot scope on. Basic upgrades include: a sling, RIS flashlight, RIS laser, bigger battery, foregrip, and a variety of scopes. Personally I bought 4 Star magazines, a foregrip, and Leapers Red/Green dot scope. I highly recommend getting a foregrip because of this gun's weight, and it also makes general manuevering of the weapon easier.


Conclusion:
This is a very good AEG clone coming out of China, well built and sturdy. It's very customizable as far as the RIS and accessories to put on the rails. I highly recommend this gun to any beginner wanting an MPEG, or also to experienced players such as myself that are looking for a good gun at a decent price.

Pros
- Great price
- Well built
- Lots of RIS
- Tightbore comes stock
- Ni-MH battery (no memory)
- Great MPEG

Cons
- Heavy
- A few loose/brittle parts
- Small battery (but you can buy a bigger one)




« Last Edit: November 19, 2006, 04:49:04 pm by CAC001 » Logged
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2006, 08:03:26 am »

Its a good review but you  could add some things to make it a little longer for one you could add an ordering section and maybe even a section about the real steel history you should laso add on to the firs impressions section and you absolutely have to add alot on to Feel section because no one wants a one sentence section but other than that stuff its a great review a little short but good
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2006, 01:59:02 pm »

All of what Master Airsoft said as well as just general beefing up. When I read it I felt like I was reading a mini review instead of a full length one. Another section you might want to add is stripping the gun down. For someone such as myself (who is currently on the fence about this gun) it would be helpful to know if I could bring this up to my AEG's standards. Something you could also mention is the wiring quality. Very few people know that can make or break a great gun. Also, about your performance section, please, please try to chrono it. Saying about 120 ft can mean 2 different things to 2 different people. At the very least, a coke can chrono would be terrific and use the coke can not some other brand, they aren't that hard to get ahold of.Another thing to mention would be the motor and the grip it sits in. Can it be replaced by Maruis, Systemas, etc.... bAck to stripping it down, if you feel comfortable doing it as well, taking a peek inside the gearbox and take a look at what the parts look like and their compatibility would be great as well.

Also, this review seems to be very pictorial, which is not a bad thing as many of the people who come to this site are probably visual learners. But, for people such as myself, it would be nicer to have more text. This is the kind of review I would expect to see in the forums, not in the official published review section.

Overall, it is a great start and I like how there are no like ZOMFG! THis is TEH hazxoxress. Also, you have many great pictures to suppoirt your review with. Again, support not suplant. Just beef it up and it'll be much better.

Not trying to rail on you here dude, just giving some pointers to bring it up to snuff.


Thanks for reviewing this gun, been kinda on the fence about this one as I mentioned above and there really is very little concrete information out there.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 01:20:07 am »

Also, minor typo, Leapers Red-Greed dot scope.  Might want to fix that.  I'd definitely like to see some history of the real steel version, you definitely need ordering/pricing, and as Pheonix says, it would be nice if you would open it up and take a look at the internals, its important to know its upgradeability potential.  Overall, you have a solid start.  I've been looking into getting this gun, so its nice to hear more about it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 09:45:53 am »

pics aren't showing up for me. i am using firefox btw. anyone else have this problem?
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 05:45:22 pm »

pics work for me, i have firefox
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2006, 07:37:01 pm »

Also, minor typo, Leapers Red-Greed dot scope.  Might want to fix that.  I'd definitely like to see some history of the real steel version, you definitely need ordering/pricing, and as Pheonix says, it would be nice if you would open it up and take a look at the internals, its important to know its upgradeability potential.  Overall, you have a solid start.  I've been looking into getting this gun, so its nice to hear more about it.
Ok I'll fix that typo, thanks for pointing that out. I'll try and get some info on the RS version and add it. The ordering/pricing I can do, but I'm not really good with AEGs (this is only my second) and I'm scared to open it up.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2006, 03:33:40 pm »

This is my first gun review, so please bear with me.
The A&K M4 S-System is one of the many recent AEG clones out of China. However, it's quality is better than most MPEGs, even to the level that I'd call it an AEG. I bought mine from Airsoft GI with an M100 and steel bushings upgrade. Here goes-

Quick question for you. If you do short trigger pulls does your gun shoot in bursts? Like quick trigger pull 3-5 shot burst if switched to semi.

Just wondering because I've opened about 3 of those and they all do it.

Thanks.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 05:56:34 pm »

mine shoots normal no matter how i shoot mine.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 09:40:08 pm »

Same for me, if I pull the trigger fast it'll just maybe half-cock the spring, but I haven't had any bursts.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 08:17:46 pm »

Does the gun have a thread on the end of the barrel? is it cw/ccw?
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 08:44:06 pm »

I think theyre counter clock wise
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2006, 08:55:36 pm »

Yeah, I think it is ccw, but the manual doesn't clearly say. I've tried taking it off, but it wouldn't come undone either cw or ccw.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2006, 10:05:35 pm »

did u remove the set screw? and it is ccw.
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2006, 11:24:56 pm »

I'm kind of new to airsoft so for a counter clockwise thread on the outer barrel tip, I would need to use a clockwise threaded mock silencer/mock suppressor right?
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2006, 08:29:37 am »

No, you would need to use the same type of threading for the mock suppressor as what is on the tip, so in this case you would need a counter clockwise threaded mock suppressor.
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2006, 06:10:41 pm »

Thank you very much Edrich. Just making sure.
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2006, 02:11:59 am »

be carefull of your upper receaver. the rear body tabs are very brittle on the a&k body. i had to fix 2 a&k m4-s at the last big game i went to
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2006, 09:31:54 pm »

how did you fix them? mine broken and right now mine is only being held together by tape/ Lips sealed
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2006, 05:10:18 pm »

Sorry for the long overdue editing post.

Nice review here, but could use some beefing up, you have all of the appropriate sections, but they are a bit lacking, a little too general. when you write about the build quality really go indepth, do the flip up sights snap into place tightly, does the lever for the sliding stock feel up to the task, how about the stock tube? any flex. do the mags wobble or are the snug in the magazine well.

If you can, I'd get some groupings and add the pics to the review.

lastly, that first picture has a Marui logo on it, so we can't use it for the A&K gun.
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2006, 05:45:18 pm »

And I dont believe that the S-system has a real steel counterpart- maybe you could mention its similar to the hk416- or something. And i the part where you say it feels like the real thing, you could change it to "fell the like the marui version"
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2006, 06:25:43 pm »

Actually There is a real steel counter part. Its just an M4 with the SIR system and it is used by the Blackwater prvate contractors as their standard rifle. Once again, how do you fix the  rear body tabs?
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2006, 07:11:30 pm »

Yeah, mine just broke and when I tried holding the gun together it wouldn't shoot. Is there a way to fix them or will I need to buy a new upper receiver?
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2006, 07:22:12 pm »

That top picture makes me actually want one...

I've been thinking of having a seperate gun for CQB, so I may consider this in the future since the HK416 is waaaay too much.
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2006, 07:22:27 pm »

Yeah, mine just broke and when I tried holding the gun together it wouldn't shoot. Is there a way to fix them or will I need to buy a new upper receiver?
You should add that as an update to the review.
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