Topic: Concerning WE Pistols, and 1911s. (Read 1355 times)

Mustang · « **on:** June 27, 2007, 09:25:58 PM »

I hope my title isn;t to vauge.

At anyrate, I'm considering if I want a WE pistol. They're inexpensive, and full metal, which is exactly what I want in a GBB. I'm considering both the 1911 tactical, cause they pwz, and the Dragon Hi-Capa 7inch, in silver, cause I ♥ t3h shineiz!

Now, I know the issue is, I know WE pistols have that issue with losing power after multiple shots. As someone who is proficient in the "two the chest one to the head," style of shooting, follow-up shots are important to me.

So, my question is: Is the power loss a WE Pistol issue, or a WE mag issue? If it is, would using TM mags solve the problem? Are TM mags even compatible? (I've heard they are, just want to make sure.)

Sir Aug of M14 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2007, 11:22:50 PM »

My friend bought a standard size WE dragon. If you fire off 5 shots quickly, you'll notice the 5th drop low. After that fifth shot, good luck even getting the slide to go back. When it was brand new (in the summer), you could get maybe 7 shots off of a full fill of propane. It broke before seeing 200 rounds fired. I'd reccomend rolling up $80 and smoking it, because then you'd save $20 over buying a WE.

Someguy · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2007, 02:05:22 AM »

My bro's dragon also gets like that.

However i am almost 100% sure all that is needed to fix it is a new piston head in the blowback chamber. First Factory cells a pretty good one (well, i would imagine) under their Nine Ball brand. I just dont feel like spending the money on it because i have a perfectly fine Barreta.

That said, WE's are pretty hit or miss, although their newer guns seem to be a bit better.

patton45 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2007, 02:21:18 AM »

i have a we baby hi-capa and i dont really like it i have problems with the slide and it sometimes skips a shot.. i wouldnt recomend one.

hkssr20det · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2007, 02:53:55 AM »

There are a ton of threads on how to "fix" a WE. It seems that if you are lucky, you get one which works. Otherwise you end up replacing WE parts with TM parts and you are still left a bit short. Buy a TM, and save for the PGC body (or Guarder). You will be happier in the end.

Edit: The Nine Ball Dyna Piston is a great piston. Better than PGC, PDI or Shooters Design.

chenmeister · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2007, 04:35:24 AM »

hmm allizard hasn't posted anything yet. well i guess i'll do the work for him.

WE's eat up gas like a mother is not because of their mags, but because their slides are so heavy. but the tm and we mags are interchangable. according to allizard, WE used to have lead as a main component in their slides. that's why they're so heavy. however, they're working to make lighter slides, but they are still very heavy. they are no match to tm and wa.

WE's rarely finish a whole mag. so if that's not an issue for you, go ahead. but double tapping in this thing is most likely a joke. slide cycling is very sluggish and slow. it might help if you get a shortstroke recoil spring and shorten the slide cycle. but it still wouldn't be up to par with tm and wa.

i'd say you go and get a kwa m1911a1 or something liek that if you like metal. otherwise, you're gonna have to spend a whole lot like me to get either a tm or wa full metal 1911 series pistol. i went throught the same thing as you are going through now and allizard knocked some sense into me since i wanted a WE hi capa 5.1. i now have a tm hi capa 5.1 upgraded to metal and everything. but it's expensive. mine's worth around 400 dollars-ish.

~chenmeister~

jjwumaster · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2007, 10:53:14 AM »

Wait for me to (inevitably) buy my metal-version KSC M945 from UNCo. It is only $138 (plus shipping, so about $170), is a nice single stacker, and (I assume) will take green gas out of the box since it has a metal slide and barrel. It looks to be a sweet deal on a good looking single stacker 1911-esque style with metal slide and barrel. Otherwise you're going to have to buy the TM M1911A1 plus a metal slide, which will cost you anywhere between 50 and 100 bucks, plus shipping. Good luck!

username · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2007, 01:20:54 PM »

I've had my WE 1911 for 6 months now and have abused it. It still shoots strong, has a decent cycling rate, and the gas lasts for about 1 mag and 3/4 of the second mag. No real problems.

I also just got the WE Dragon from evike.com for free and am actually quite impressed. I got about 28 shots out of the mag (30 capacity) on propane and chronoed at an average of 335. The highest fps was the first shot at:

Here's a picture of the gun as well.

jjwumaster · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2007, 04:27:52 PM »

wow that's really impressive that you're getting 330FPS+ on the dragon. I wonder if it's because the gun diverts more gas toward the BB than to the slide racking mechanism because the slide is so light...

joker8baller · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2007, 04:55:15 PM »

Don't. Please don't. The WE has poor accuracy, completely horrid when compared to a stock TM 1911. Sure the TM isn't full metal, but it weighs a good deal, and the plastic slide easily withstands GG.

jjwumaster · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2007, 05:07:50 PM »

i think when it comes to the name, unfortunately WE as a brand carries no respect. that said i really don't know anything about their guns. i agree with everyone here though that it's worth the couple extra (dozens of) dollars to go with TM > KSC > WA.

Mustang · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2007, 05:17:06 PM »

Oh. Okay, so they;re like the CA of the gas gun world. THanks for the heads up. I guess I'll just look at whats available for the TM.

Sir Aug of M14 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2007, 03:18:17 AM »

Quote from: Mustang on June 28, 2007, 05:17:06 PM

Oh. Okay, so they;re like the CA of the gas gun world. THanks for the heads up. I guess I'll just look at whats available for the TM.

I consider that a hefty insult to CA.

Pizzalauncher · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:52:23 AM »

May I suggest a KWA/KSC Glock?

P.S. That is quite an insult to CA, you are wrong there.

ekibyougami · « **Reply #14 on:** July 01, 2007, 08:32:42 AM »

Quote from: Mustang on June 28, 2007, 05:17:06 PM

Oh. Okay, so they;re like the CA of the gas gun world. THanks for the heads up. I guess I'll just look at whats available for the TM.

That's just mean(to WE), more like the MP001 either you have a lemon or you have a decent gun.

My experiences are much like that of username's with a dragon when the gun was new I could shoot one and one half mags shooting as fast as I could pull the trigger. The gun still works fine and has been though ~15,000 bbs and one year. But if you can get the money go with a higher quality gun.

sushi137 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2007, 08:45:10 AM »

no! dont ever compare WE to CA again!!!!
CA is a reputable company these days.....
WE is like what cyma use to be.... maybe still is.

might i suggest the full metal TM 1911 at ehobbyasia.com for 209.99 or something like that.
it has a guarder springfield kit on it. and its a TM.

joker8baller · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2007, 03:24:49 PM »

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CA isn't a reputable company these days... lol.

And it's not a FMV, it's just a metal slide. The Guarder kit alone is $200...

sushi137 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2007, 03:40:09 PM »

huh?
thats wierd, now that i think about it its really low price.
besides i went to double check, and they took it off their website.

Reddmann · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2007, 04:09:06 PM »

I have the We-1911 and the dragon 5.1. The dragon I bought new almost two years ago. Yes it is a gas hog. My accuracy with it has been very good. Recently I dropped it on a hard floor and messed it up. Now it is an auto pistol. To help with the gas usage I have polished the slide rails on both pistols, next I am getting the spring upgrades. Overall I have been pleased with them. The 1911 I bought used. They feel real, and have a good kick for an airsoft gun.

The Crimson Falcon · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2007, 06:37:09 PM »

Quote from: joker8baller on July 02, 2007, 03:24:49 PM

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CA isn't a reputable company these days... lol.

Yes it is. Certainly more reputable than UTG, for instance. By the way, all TSD WE 1911's will be coming with Caspian trademarks now, if that matters to you.

joker8baller · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2007, 09:02:29 PM »

Heh. With the way the recent CA guns have gone, and the reports of them breaking... it seems as if they're slipping into their old ways, and I know many that will argue that they aren't. M15 = good. Any other variant = crap. The UTG M14, for example, got a lotta praises from the players at the recent skirmish.

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Who all are using the 1911 v2's. I've used one of them, and it had horrible accuracy and couldn't get off the entire mag...

StrikER · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2007, 09:35:04 PM »

Do they now make WE's with the lighter slides? especially those being imported by TSD?

Mustang · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2007, 10:11:43 PM »

Wait, so where can I find TSD WEs?

The Crimson Falcon · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2007, 10:13:50 PM »

Well, either Cheesehead or I will have one for reviewing in a few weeks, so I'll keep you posted. Evike and Speedytoys are both TSD retailers, and should have them in soon.

sushi137 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:33:04 PM »

ok, sorry for the CA remark, lets all get back on topic.
unless you were talking about those CA gbbs that were anounced a while ago, lets leave CA out of it.
what ever happend to the CA gbb line? did it go under? ive been out of it for a while.
these TSD WEs should be interesting....
TSD is really makin a move with their SRC and WE...... not to mention their l96, dont know original manufacturer for that....
but its really interesting, theyre really doing it up big.

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