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[BallHawk3]

Well I got TeamSD/ICS to help.

Their are pretty helpful. Their ruling it a defect. So I gotta find time to drive down to the TeamSD shop and drop off the gun for repair.

I'm still scratching my head on this, I took out the upper gearbox and looked at it closer. The gearbox is pretty tough, and I'm reading what some of you are saying. I am curious if the spring would be bought enough to bend the gearbox like that? I don't really see any creases in the gearbox, or any "signs" of anything causing it to bend, so right now i'm sorta leaning towards it came like this as a bad mold. I was speaking with the TeamSD tech and he said very well the "bend" in the reciever could have caused all the problems, as in the gears and gearbox not lining up.

But for those curious, i've had this thing for a little over 2 weeks. I barely use it, I used it once, which was a week after buying it, and put like less than a magazine through it. I used it once again after finally getting my crane crane on there, but fired like two shots just to make sure everything worked. Then after looking at the gun yesterday, I heard a weird rattle. Something was moving in there, and thats when I began to fire some shots to test it. It fired one shot, but the next one, nothing came out. I then realized the BBs were just rolling out the barrel! Checked the mag to see if there were problems. Nuttin. So for the first time I split the reciever and take a look. I thought it was weird the spring wasn't straight, then noticed the spring guide looks like its missing a huge chuck! So i flip the gun over and shoot it a bit and thats when I saw pieces of the spring guide moving around inside the spring. So that was the rattling sound. Upon further inspection, I noticed the strange "bend" in the upper gearbox. Since this was my first ICS gun, wasn't sure if this was the design or not. Cause on my inspection it really didn't look like it was bent out, no creases or signs of it bending or flexing, almost look like it came like this!

I will also state. I'm kind of disapointed after spending close to $700 in a little over 2 weeks with Evike, I got no love. Couldn't even give me a phone number to call, just a "call ICS" and go through warranty/defect. I was left chasing for the right place to call to get my problem fix, and finally landed into the hands of the TeamSD tech which takes care of it.

[XavierMace]

Oh and XavierMace, how come you hae over 1k posts and yet you still only have one lousy star?

I think Atilla is mad at me for knifing him so many times on my CoD4 server last night.    I waiting to see if he gets on tonight for revenge.

Either that or the stars don't apply to staff.

I will also state. I'm kind of disapointed after spending close to $700 in a little over 2 weeks with Evike, I got no love.

That's the Evike way.

If your gun was actually made that way, I am impressed.  I would think that kind of bend would be hard to do with a mold.

[justaguy613]

I have been getting real bored with my basic ics m4.  And i have been looking into getting an SIR for it i have read and seen friends use the chinese Dboy CASV for TM.  Just curious if you think it been a huge pain in the A** to do.  Or worth trying.  If not other options you'd think would be good.

[XavierMace]

The ONLY clone item I have experience with clone stuff is the RIS kit from the Echo1 M16A4.  My suspicion would be that DBoys kit will work fine, but I really can't say for sure.  Unless you have your heart set on a CASV style setup, you might want to consider a JBU or Classic Army RIS kit.

[Stacky]

I have been getting real bored with my basic ics m4.  And i have been looking into getting an SIR for it i have read and seen friends use the chinese Dboy CASV for TM.  Just curious if you think it been a huge pain in the A** to do.  Or worth trying.  If not other options you'd think would be good.

The D-boys casv works just fine. No modifications needed other than to remove your old handguards and to screw the casv on.

[XavierMace]

First "beta" of the ICS Compatibility chart is being added to the original post as an attachment in a hour or so.  This is by no means complete (even just with my input).  Here is what I would like from you fellow ICS users:

A PM specifying the 3rd party part you used (manufacturer and model), was the part compatible, did it need mods to work, and a brief explanation of the mods needed to function properly on your gun (if any).  If mods were required, a rough guess on how long the mod took to perform and how hard was it difficult wise.  Price from Redwolf or ASGI would also be appreciated, but I can look that up myself if necessary.  If the part was salvaged from an existing gun, please specify the cost of that gun and note the gun it came from.  Further explanation and/or discussion of the part can occur in this thread.

How long it took and the difficulty aren't necessarily related. You might have had to file down a grip to work.  Filing is what I consider an easy task as pretty much anybody can file.  However, it might have taken 5 hours to finish the filing.  Therefore it was an "easy" modification with a "high" time requirement.  The guide has a glossary on the first page.  Chart is in Excel 2007 format at this time.  Yes, I realize many don't have that.  If you have an older version, Microsoft has a conversion tool.  Once it's further along I will work on exporting it to a different format.

At this time the guide is for EXTERNAL parts only.  Any contribution to the guide will be noted on the intro page unless otherwise noted.

Edit: Guide isn't uploading, I will try again in morning.

[Gigueand]

The D-boys casv works just fine. No modifications needed other than to remove your old handguards and to screw the casv on.

How exactly does the CASV attach? I just looked at a photo of the ACM one on RSOV and it doesn't appear to have any threads to attach to the threaded collar that is on the ICS M4 reciever. When I attached my Oly Arms RAS all I had to do was thread the entire unit onto the ICS reciever, but it doesn't look like the CASV attaches that way.

[SGT. Gilmore]

Looking forward to your post.


I would also like to add that the UTG Ergo fore grip will not fit on the 2006 Anniv.  Ris without being modded with a dremel. If you have one it is not an issue if you do not find one cause you have to take the edge off the rails and open the groove up a bit.

[XavierMace]

I would also like to add that the UTG Ergo fore grip will not fit on the 2006 Anniv.  Ris without being modded with a dremel. If you have one it is not an issue if you do not find one cause you have to take the edge off the rails and open the groove up a bit.

If possible, please send me a PM with the details I requested.  It would be appreciated.

[Stacky]

How exactly does the CASV attach? I just looked at a photo of the ACM one on RSOV and it doesn't appear to have any threads to attach to the threaded collar that is on the ICS M4 reciever. When I attached my Oly Arms RAS all I had to do was thread the entire unit onto the ICS reciever, but it doesn't look like the CASV attaches that way.

Bascially the CASV has two halves. The lower foregrip is removed, then the entire upper section, with an extension is screwed onto the rifle's upper receiver with two screws. Then you reattach the lower receiver onto the upper section again. If this is vague I can get photos for you. Basically to attach it to your m4, remove your original hand guard, remove the carry handle, and screw the top of the CASV on, then screw the bottom of the CASV on.

[julietcharlie]

I have been getting real bored with my basic ics m4.  And i have been looking into getting an SIR for it i have read and seen friends use the chinese Dboy CASV for TM.  Just curious if you think it been a huge pain in the A** to do.  Or worth trying.  If not other options you'd think would be good.

I used to have that S.I.R. from Dboys.

It will fit but you have to get the conversion kit with the delta ring like the one in http://www.rsov.com/product_info.php?cPath=105_135&products_id=460
But I am not sure if you need to re-thread the delta ring that comes with it since the ICS upper receiver threads for the delta ring is a bit bigger than TM/ACM clone M4/M16 series.
 Otherwise, just like what I did, you would have to disassemble your ICS stock delta ring and trim the tabs so that the S.I.R. will slide on to the upper receiver without interference with the delta ring.

[Stacky]

The SIR and CASV are different systems. It takes no modification on your gun for it to fit.

[dcren123]

Recently, when i tried testing the accuracy of my ICS M4, the shots were quite erratic and inconsistent (I have not tested its accuracy as where i lived during the school year was a bit too populated and too windy). I'm not sure of the exact distance but it was approximately 50 steps or so with .20 bbs. When i checked the hop up it seemed a bit... tilted and so i tried messing with it a bit and the nub fell out... lol >>; I tried placing the nub back in but since I can't find a way to disassemble the hop up set i tried my best to put it back and accidentally pushed the nub behind that widget that holds the nub. Thus, the nub is now stuck somewhere in the hop up system and i have no hop up .

Is there any way to take the nub out? or should i just buy a new hop up set. Also, how can i get more consistent accuracy from the gun? While shooting(while i still had hop up) the bbs almost always flew to the upper left of where i aimed if it over-hopped.

[blackhawk74]

I ended up getting my nub stuck in the far depths of my hopup, too, but I ended up getting it out by opening it. Here's a very, very rough disassembly procedure for your hopup.
1. Remove hopup+barrel set.
2. Remove c-clip (carefully)
3. Slide out barrel and bucking
4. Turn hopup upside down
5. Remove pin from hopup, while keeping your finger on the strike chamber (on top, but since it's upside down now, it's on the bottom).
6. Remove 2 parts: the arm and the other black plastic part (not exactly sure what that is called), don't forget the spring
7. Find the nub
8. Reassemble.
I don't guarantee any of this, I've just gone by my own little guide for a while now and it seems to work just fine.

[XavierMace]

Thanks julietcharlie and Sparky for your additions I will add them as soon as possible.  The current matrix is available on my Live Space.

dcren, I still recommend you take your gun to a shop to have it checked out.

Now, I am off for Vegas.

[dcren123]

oh wow thanks blackhawk, that pin was so tight i wasn't sure if i could pop it out. Now i have the nub again.

yes i've been thinking about bringing my gun to a shop to have it checked out but i feel a bit awkward if i don't buy anything... lol.... maybe a bag of bbs, they run out quite fast.

thanks for the help and recommendation

[Stacky]

Xavier, could you possibly elaborate on the compatibility issues with the pistol grips with any other company's? I understand you said something on the lines that it holds the motor at a slightly different angle, and would cause poor meshing? Is there a fix to this at all?

[blackhawk74]

No way to fix this unless you use the stock ICS pistol grip. Not even filing will help you (from what I've tried with a TM pistol grip). Doesn't change the angle of entry, which is the problem.

[XavierMace]

I have not found a way to fix it, however while it does make the gun louder so far I haven't noticed a decrease in life span.

[SGT. Gilmore]

For all of you are interested in putting on a different stock and have to mod the stock adaptor, it took me about a hour to mod the adaptor to fit my new CA crane stock, also if you plan on adding a sling adaptor to the stock as well you will have to widen out the hole on it for it to fix. I used a deep fire sling adaptor on mine. The process of shaving the adaptor down and the sling adaptor is a 3 on difficulty and that is because you will need a Dremel and files to make it go faster. I used the Dremel at first but found that the files work better on the stock adaptor. On the sling mount I used the Dremel to round out the inside. I had to use the files to open the notches up a bit so that it would slide onto the stock adaptor. I recommend this way over the pressure fit way because there is a chance that you will crack you stock tube if the fit gets to tight.

Xavier I will get the details that you need...

[Stacky]

Really? I dremeled down my stock adapter, it only took me 15 minutes. Shrug. My sling adapter fits too, it only took a dremel and my calipers.

[XavierMace]

You don't need a dremel.  A dremel would make it go faster, but it certainly isn't needed.  I did all of mine with a single file.

[bnag0]

I really plan on buying an ICS M4, i would just like to know some standard upgrades that you might think i should do, i believe i will be happy with the stock model but im a noob and was wondering if you could give me a few pointers to make it that much better...

[XavierMace]

Tightbore, good battery (or two), good charger, box of MAG mags.  Beyond that, kinda need to know what your plans are for it.

[bnag0]

Well if i buy the M4 its going to be like 300 because i can not find a site that just sells the gun without the crappy high caps and the 8.4 mini battery extras, do you know of a site that sells the gun for like 250-275 which will give me a better chance to buy the tight barrel, mags, battery, and charger and maybe a 130 spring.... because if i do go threw with it, it looks as if i need like 500 bucks or more ....  and another problem is not to many people i know play, so i am hoping that me buying this ics will change there minds... if not i know i can probably figure out some way to have some fun with it.  i really appreciate this forum and the time you have put into it, i have never owned an airsoft gun in my life but, by the looks of reviews and me talking to some people i know and mainly your experience has most certainly set me on ICS, thanks again.