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« on: April 24, 2006, 08:30:12 pm »

Thumbnails don't load on these forums so just check airsoftcore for pics, I'll fix them tommorow. Excuse for some of the blurines in some of the pics, my camera's lense's weren't meant for close ups at all.

 Anyways I'll put a bit about myself to make the point I'm not some noon posting this gun is great simply becuase it's cheap and shoots more than a thousand rounds without breaking. The guns I've owned are:
KJW G23 FMV
TM AUG civilian
TM M4
TM P226
CA G36k
TM M14 OD
plus some other random springers and mini's. I've been airsofting for about three years now.

Now onto the review:

CYMA CM028S



After a long ride to Tampa to get the package and getting into my house I opened up the package. The first thing I saw was a Well M4 that JT sent me for free, it didn't last to long...  After digging past the M4 I got the AK. The box had a illustration of an AK47S and engrish written all over it.  By the way if you ordered a CM028 and don't recieve a package like the one below than chances are you got sent the wrong gun.


The foam box is wrapped in a plastic sheet you must remove to get to the gun and accessories. After removing the sheet you greeted with a fairly pleasant sight.



The accesories included are a sling, battery, charger, magazine, loading rod, and BB's. The sling is of decent quality and it's what I've been using so far but I have a KA AK sling coming in soon that will probally be much better. The battery is wrapped in black shrink wrap and doesn't have adny indication of it's type, but the box says "1200 maH 8.4v" . Charger is not much to brag about, standard wall slow charger. Mag is plastic and holds 300 rounds according to the manual, after a full winding it feeds about 80 rounds without misfeeding. I haven't even tooken the BB's out of the package and have no intention of using them, they are marked as .20g.

First thing I noticed was the excellent fake wood finish.  When one person saw it he though it was real wood until I told him otherwise (you know who you are).  Compared to TM it is darker and has more grain marks. I daresay the fake wood is just as good if not better than TM. Unfortunaly I forgot to take comparison pics but you have my word the wood is just as good as TM. Doesn't matter much to me really, as I have a G&P wood kit coming in.







I had put a sanyo 600maH battery on the charger before leaving to pick up the gun. So I removed the reciever cover, which is metal, just like TM, and popped in the battery. I ook a couple dryfire shots and guestimated the ROF to be about 750 rounds per minute. (Later on I will measure it excactly though) I filled the hicap with BB's (excel .20g) and wound it. Man, the mag is a ***** to get in, first try required me too flip the gun upside down and jam it in. TM mags and a king arms drum mag fit like a glove though, there's nothing wrong with the magwell itself.

Battle scrathed reciever cover:



I went outside and fired some rounds to get the hop up adjusted, properly adjusted max range is about 150'. I then proceeded to my 41' target range, after setting up a target I let a couple rounds loose and checked the target, 4" groupings, not bad for an aluminum barrel. I fired the entire 300 rounds in the mag, some of my bursts were as long 30 rounds long. Fired point blank at a soda can it went through one side and left a large dent on the other side.  That night I fired about 800 rounds though it, no problems, TM level performance, nice externals (except for the stock), I was feeling good about my $100 dollar purchase. The next day though, was a large 8 hour game, I'll get in to that later. Conclusion, performance is stock TM AEG level, not as good as my M14 but that is to be expected.

Hop up:


Regarding the stock, it is quite wobly, it goes up and down about 2 inches. I don't know if the TM stock does that but I'm guessing it does.



In game the AK was great, only problems were the crappy mag and wobly stock were it's only problems. I was a bit out ranged using it becuase most of guns at the game were 350 and up, but that's what I have my M14 for.

The externals are pretty good. The reciever is plsatic but has a gun metal grey finish to it and resembles metal. As I said earlier the receiver cover is metal and it is darker than the receiver. The gas tube and front sight are a heavy metal with a thick, semi-glossy finish, most likely a zinc alloy. The outer barrel and cleaning rod are a flat black aluminum. The front sight wiggles, but after tightening the screw underneath it movement is minimal. The front sight is adjustable for elevation and it comes with a tool to adjust it, but I already lost it. The rear sight is metal and also adjustable for elevation.

Front sight and barrel:


Rear sight (but the camera focused on the handguard, sorry):


It has what believe to be AK trades, the triangle with bolt thing running down the middle. Of course the "made in china" on the other side kinda ruins it.

Trades:


Taking down AK's is hell of a lot harder than G36's, I wouldn't reccomend taking down this rifle if your technically incompotent and/or new completely new to AEG's. I wouldn't reccomend using this as a guide to strip your AK, use a more detailed guide.


The first step to taking her down is to remove the "plastic thing above the gearbox, dunno what the actual name is. Taking it off requires taking off the hop lever and little screw to the right of charging handle.



Remove the grip, but remember how the wires are positioned, it helps later on.


Remove the four screws on the bottom of the gun, two are in the magwell, two are behind the grip. Then seperate the front section from the rear section. Remove the selector switch and finally take the gearbox from the reciever.

Random pic of the hop up, CYMA decieded to use a O-ring type system where two points of an O-ring serve to provide hop up, similar to G-spec hop up.


Now to the gearbox, first glance revealed nylon bushings, decent looking motor, and not so good looking wiring.


Opening it proved easy becuase CYMA uses philps head instead of torx screws like TM.


Gears look fine, infact they made from steel and resemble reinforced type gears from brands such as CA, and G&G. They were labeled "XYT"


Trigger assembly is made of clearish, brown, plastic, contacts are made of copper I believe.



Piston compared to a TM piston, TM appeared better. The CYMA one had mold lines and made of a softer materiel.



Notice the nozzle and cylinder head are made of clear plastic. The airseal was decent, about what I would expect out of stock CA, TM airseal is a bit better though.


All in all the gearbox is pretty darn good, definitly not something I'd expect to see in a $100 gun.

Note about cylinders: My systema silent cylinder head didn't fit because the tabs the head go into are a bit larger than usual. I'll be making the head fit by boreing out a slightly larger hole in the cylinder head. Something like a dremel or a lathe would work fine to bore out a hold, it's only a MM or so anyway. Also, the stock spring was sufficiently wide that it did not fit in an systema piston.

Parts I'll be installing this weekend:
Systema silent piston kit
Guarder SP100
Rewire everything
Prometheus nozzle
G&P wood set

      My final thought and conclusions about this gun.
TM pretty much got equaled in every respect with CYMA's latest release. While not as good as ICS's or CA's AK variants it does hold it's own against the TM AK.  In fact I see no point to get any more TM guns unless they are the only ones that make the gun your after. Anyway, I see no reason you wouldn't get this gun if your after an AK47, it's truely great.

I'll be updating this thread on friday or saturday when I get everything installed. In the meanhile I'll try to answer your questions as best as possible, though that could be hard since I go to a boarding school.


Excuse me if my grammar isn't all right, I've been typing for nearly 3 hours..
And yes I have posted this in three other forums.
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2006, 08:53:48 pm »

Removed since Hustie got pics working.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2006, 09:12:57 pm »



After a long ride to Tampa to get the package and getting into my house I opened up the package.

tampa florida?
when you say that, did you pick it up from a mailling place, or from an airsoft store? if it is indeed an airsoft store, can i have the name, phone number, address please, and or website? very nice review, was thinking about this gun but i chose to save a lil more and get a high ender.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2006, 09:33:28 pm »

Wow...looks great on the outside and the parts INSIDE the gearbox look pretty nice...but that is the crappiest looking gearbox shell I have ever seen.  Calling it pot metal is to gracious.  Reminds me of low quality sheet metal...but thicker of course.
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2006, 01:43:53 am »

Awesome, looks great!  You've convinced me, I want one.

Does anyone know where to get this one, or the full-stocked version, in the US?  Jungletoy is out of it and wont have them for awhile unfortunately...
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2006, 06:35:29 am »

Pics working!

Evike stocks them and rebranded them with the Matrix brand, they are $120 ones, the $60 are CYMA's older version of the AK with a plastic gearbox.
Yep, Tampa, Florida, you live there? Anyhow, it was picked up from my mom's law office, it was delivered there becuase JT wouldn't ship it to my house for some reason. Someone I know is starting up a store though, check it out http://tbehobbies.com/catalog/catalog/. Right now he has most of CA's lineup and BB's and some other various accessories.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2006, 08:18:56 am »

how sure are we that the Evike Matrix AK's are the CYMA's and not the DE's?
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2006, 09:30:02 am »

I emailed them and specifically asked about it. Also, in the other CM028 thread a couple people mention ordering the matrix AK and recieving a CM028. Though I would call or email before you order to comfirm. Also, does anyone know of after market AKS stocks? The stock stock is OK but I'm looking for more something like side folding or a more sturdy underfolder.  Does anyone know if real steel stocks fit, because that would be awsome
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2006, 09:39:05 am »

Wow, theres a thread on my gun and i didnt even know it.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-4/1174781/PICT0013.JPG
Im guessings its under my orange plastic flashhider, can uscrew a mock silencer onto that or something?
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2006, 10:47:29 am »

There's a number of them on eBay for around $105 shipped.
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2006, 02:02:20 pm »

Yep, the flashider is 14mm CCW meaning you can mount pretty much all aftermarket mock silencers, flashiders, ect. A word of cuation though, the front sight, and thus the threads, wobble a tad bit, so if the mock silencer is to long your BB's will be hitting the inside of the mock silencer.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2006, 02:16:54 pm »

oh, thought there was an airsoft store there lol. i dont live in tampa but i would drive up there to go check it out.(central area) tired of the high prices at my local airsoft store...well, thanks for your help!
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2006, 02:59:29 pm »

yeah i got mine yesterday its pretty good gun for the price. I paid 56.00 buy it now on ebay and the shipping was 28.00 best deal ive seen so far.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2006, 06:13:36 pm »

Wow, you sure you got the CM028, did the box look like mine?
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2006, 12:06:31 am »

yes exact same box. I know im amazed to if anyone is interested i can give you the seller through email
one question though how long do you charge the battery for because the manual says 12 hours but ive heard alot of complaints about chineese translations being wrong. I dont want to fry the battery.
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2006, 12:10:07 am »

Yo, send me that seller, thats awesome...

colonel_pup@yahoo.com
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2006, 12:27:48 am »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7234340837

thats my link
but i think he jacked his prices. you can see on mine it said 53.00 buy it now. i dont know maybe you could talk him down but thats doubtful
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2006, 01:50:46 pm »

Look at the markings on the charger, you divide the maH of your battery by the output of the charger, that should give you the amount in hours you should charge. I would look at my charger and tell you, but, what can I say, boarding school has it's disadvantages.
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2006, 07:57:03 pm »

hey hustie i was wondering if you know how or can make a guide on how to to remove the foldable stock so i can make it look like a shorty ak like the custom ones on uncompany.com?

please pm me with the info if you know how
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2006, 08:57:23 pm »

mann...i want a AK SO BAD..this makes me want one EVEN WORSE!!! I love the looks of the AK47S...but the large battery is too good to pass up...+1
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2006, 12:28:03 am »

What's the highest mah you can get with those stick batteries?
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2006, 12:44:12 am »

ive some high mah stick batteries at www.onlycheapbatterypacks.com
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2006, 06:16:11 am »

With the frontset that comes with my woodkit (g&p) it can hold up to a 1700 mah stick battery, without I figure the largest is probaly 1200 mah.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2006, 01:02:31 pm »

I'm going to the Tampa gunshow this weekend, hopefully one of the airsoft vendors will have this thing and I might pick one up (along with a HFC full metal m92)

I was thinking about a TM ak, but these look so nice, I have to see it in person before I make up my mind.

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2006, 02:06:19 pm »

I might go to that gunshow aswell, I'm deciding between that and the trails.   Anyway, tommorow I will install the G&P wood kit along with a guarder SP100. I'll update this thread as that goes along, I'll also get some pics of real wood VS. cyma fake wood.
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