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« on: August 30, 2008, 11:13:00 am » |
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Airsoft Retreat presents a first time exclusive for the site: High-definition video reviews! First up we take a sneak peak at the Top Tech (G&G) TM4 right out of the box. This rifle features a working safety indicator, extremely high quality metal construction and the innovative pneumatic bolt blow back system for a level of realism not found in other AEG lines. Initial impressions are very strong and we will have a full technical review shortly. Enjoy the video! FPS tests: .20g = 342 fps average .25g = 305 fps average Full 720p HD Preview: http://vimeo.com/1630402?pg=embed&sec=1630402&hd=1Low-res:
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« Last Edit: August 30, 2008, 12:01:47 pm by Snicker »
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Booligan
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 11:16:48 am » |
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As I mentioned in the other thread, it looks like it's only giving half of the full blow back cycle, which should be corrected by firing it with BBs loaded. The BB helps seal the cylinder and transfer the redirected air into the blow back cylinder.
It's one of the nice features of the TT line. Your blowback changes noticably when you're out of ammo.
Looks great though!
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 11:18:26 am » |
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Let me go test that out.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 11:47:14 am » |
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I for one am highly interested in the progress of this technology. It adds everything I love about airsoft into one package.( realism and affordability) With any luck there are lot's of people out there that want these and are willing to buy them, because I'd like to see the system used in other non-ar platforms.
though I guess if all else fails I could attempt to fit one of those gearboxes in a m14 dmr body.....>.>
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 12:01:35 pm » |
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I noticed about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch in additional movement to the "bolt" when shooting with BBs. It was enough to move it back to show the hop-up adjuster but it really wasn't that much different.
FPS tests:
.20g = 342 fps average
.25g = 305 fps average
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Booligan
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2008, 12:03:29 pm » |
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A little lower FPS than anticipated, but still quite usable.
I like it. This may be on my short list soon!
Thanks for testing that out!
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Snicker
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 12:30:18 pm » |
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The other two unknowns to complete an analysis of this gun will be how much it is going to cost and how compatible it will be with upgrade parts. Stay tuned for a full review of this gun soon.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 12:43:41 pm » |
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That blowback looks lovely. I'm not so worried about upgrade parts as I am upkeep; will having the blowback feature cause premature wear? It's definitely on my short list as well, especially since it's markedly cheaper than some of the GBB stuff I want.
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We pessimists are rarely disappointed - if things work out well, then so much for the better. If not, well... we told you so.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2008, 01:13:05 pm » |
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The bottom line on this feature is that it isn't something that is going to change your game or make you a better player. What is is going to do though is further the sport and increase realism which is something this community thrives on. Seeing it in person is really impressive and it's kinda of a "duh" feature. Why didn't they have these to begin with? Based on the design, I am not concerned about increased wear and tear and I think time will show that this is a very durable feature that other manufactures find they have to put in their products.
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2008, 01:35:01 pm » |
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Is the M4 the only model they have right now?
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2008, 01:39:01 pm » |
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Snicker, what's cool is that you can tell people that you have a short stroke piston airsoft M4  It's like the 416 of the airsoft world. And yes, why this wasn't thought of sooner is beyond me. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2008, 02:23:08 pm » |
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Any idea when the Top Tech HK416 will hit U.S. store shelves? I can't wait for this...
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2008, 08:25:34 pm » |
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Question though. Why is a Delta unit patch (err, insignia) on the M4? Do they use the Top Tech TM4? I mean, I figured that prolly to seem more realistic, but I really hope that they have the Army's permission to use it.
Looks amazing. Give it about 2 or 3 years and every AEG will have this incorporated in their weapon for the same price as a Echo 1.
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2008, 08:22:32 pm » |
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Question though. Why is a Delta unit patch (err, insignia) on the M4? Do they use the Top Tech TM4? I mean, I figured that prolly to seem more realistic, but I really hope that they have the Army's permission to use it.
Looks amazing. Give it about 2 or 3 years and every AEG will have this incorporated in their weapon for the same price as a Echo 1.
i dont knwo if they really "need permission", i mean a couple companies use the USMC's EGA, and i doubt the USMC use their guns. Could be wrong though |
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2008, 11:01:39 pm » |
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Airsoft manufacturer doesn't care. It's just like TM and their trademarks on their M4s, M14s, etc...
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2008, 12:41:03 am » |
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I believe G&G has full permission to reproduce those trademark symbols.
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2008, 01:04:13 am » |
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Do you guys think they will sell a gearbox or conversion for this soon??
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2008, 05:50:43 am » |
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Is it me, or is the blowback hardly existing? Does it have any effect? I guess i need to try myself  The rest of the AEG looks good to me. I also can't wait for a HK416 model... |
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2008, 08:58:32 am » |
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Is it me, or is the blowback hardly existing? Does it have any effect? I guess i need to try myself The rest of the AEG looks good to me. I also can't wait for a HK416 model... I was corrected by Booligan and G&G staff saying the system is designed to be completely sealed when shooting with BBs and that will get you the most blow back effect. It looks really good in person. |
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2008, 10:56:20 am » |
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I believe G&G has full permission to reproduce those trademark symbols.
huh i didnt know that, i like having authorised trades |
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2008, 09:33:49 pm » |
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That gun looks like it runs efficiently with the blowback. Blowback is a nice feature to have. One thing i don't like about the gun is that it has "made in taiwan" all over it. huh i didnt know that, i like having authorised trades |
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 02:07:03 pm » |
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I'm okay with it saying made in Taiwan all over it - G&G did a great job on the system, and they should be proud of where it's made.
I wonder how well it could drop into other V2 mechbox setups (still shopping around for which box will be on my Masada PTWS)
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 03:31:07 pm » |
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Does this blowback system produce an actual "kick" like TM's (i know it's not as much as the RS but it's still a kick) or is it just for show?
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 05:12:41 pm » |
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That gun looks like it runs efficiently with the blowback. Blowback is a nice feature to have.
One thing i don't like about the gun is that it has "made in taiwan" all over it.
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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2008, 05:10:04 pm » |
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The reason why they have "mad in taiwan" is because ARMY's L85, they carbon copied everything, from the gun to the manual and package, by putting "made in taiwan" will prevent someone "photocopies" their product in the future, according to the owner of G&G.
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