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Nathan Ridge

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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2008, 03:36:29 PM »

It's theoretically possible to get decent efficiency in a springer war by "dual" wielding spring pistols....in theory, you could buy yourself up to ten spring pistols, four leg holsters, four belt holsters, and a shoulder holster rigged for two pistols.  If you were really devoted to it, you could technically learn to fire two shots off with each spring pistol, reholster it, and unholster the next pair of pistols.  The flip side would be the dramatic loss of mobility and stealth...plus the massive delay in cocking time.  The more I think about it, it seems like you would only have one good cycle of draw-shoot-holster-draw again before you got rushed or ended up emptying the mag in each pistol without getting chance to repeat the cycle.

Although GBB dual wielding may not be as easy as it first appears, I do not know dual-wielding is totally out.  If you don't mind the extra weight, I can see how a compact secondary sidearm could be useful.  I don't know that it would prevent getting shot in those hypothetical situations, but the moment you got a kill with the secondary sidearm you'd have a tremendous sense of accomplishment.

DRK, if you get the chance to dual wield LMGs, do try to get a video!
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2008, 06:17:42 PM »

dual wield is just a fancy force multiplier. once both guns go click and no boom, your in for a very very long mag change...

yea dualie lmg's will be video taped. as to when. i dunno how long it will be. first problem is a i need a game to goto to film first :/
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2008, 07:29:27 PM »

You can also "dual wield" to keep up a steady stream of fire from pistols, assuming you have enough mags.  Basically, you fire one gun until it's empty, holster it while drawing and firing the other gun, and reload the first gun while it's holstered while firing the second gun.  Then holster gun 2, while drawing the reloaded first gun, lather, rinse, repeat.  That's the most effective way I've seen for dual wielding, since it eliminates reload time, assuming you're both-brained enough to fire effectively while reloading.  But, if you practice it and get it into muscle memory, it can work quite well.

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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2008, 08:44:14 PM »

You can also "dual wield" to keep up a steady stream of fire from pistols, assuming you have enough mags.  Basically, you fire one gun until it's empty, holster it while drawing and firing the other gun, and reload the first gun while it's holstered while firing the second gun.  Then holster gun 2, while drawing the reloaded first gun, lather, rinse, repeat.  That's the most effective way I've seen for dual wielding, since it eliminates reload time, assuming you're both-brained enough to fire effectively while reloading.  But, if you practice it and get it into muscle memory, it can work quite well.

Sounds effective, but it would be difficult to learn to focus on the target other than reloading.
Like you said, muslce memory would be key to accomplishing that.
I probably would focus on the reloading and my shots would end up all over the place. And I actually think that if you picked your shots right (like you should), you should be able to take down a few enemies before having to reload, and it only takes like 2-4 seconds to reload a pistol so jumping behind cover for a few seconds shouldnt really diminish your kill rate that much. Anyways, If you did need to take down that many people you should probably get your main weapon out.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2008, 10:19:09 PM »

You can also "dual wield" to keep up a steady stream of fire from pistols, assuming you have enough mags.  Basically, you fire one gun until it's empty, holster it while drawing and firing the other gun, and reload the first gun while it's holstered while firing the second gun.  Then holster gun 2, while drawing the reloaded first gun, lather, rinse, repeat.  That's the most effective way I've seen for dual wielding, since it eliminates reload time, assuming you're both-brained enough to fire effectively while reloading.  But, if you practice it and get it into muscle memory, it can work quite well.

Ha! I am able to do that with any M9! It doesn't require much brain power to learn, but you have to be able to not fumble the mag when reloading. Because once you drop a mag, you'll end up loseing focus on your targets. Also, it's better to master it on a sidearm your hand recognizes, not just two totally different guns.

DRK, you are the first person I've seen to use those WA's in a skirmish, lol. Everyone else who owns one, baby's it.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2008, 11:24:23 PM »

whoa whoa, I've seen guys do this a few times at Airsoft Playground, this is no lie. I also remember just once, once... there was this one guy with two P90s, I thought this was crazy. again, not a lie.

Anyway, I haven't seen much of that anymore. I haven't been there in a while though.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2008, 01:03:05 AM »

whoa whoa, I've seen guys do this a few times at Airsoft Playground, this is no lie. I also remember just once, once... there was this one guy with two P90s, I thought this was crazy. again, not a lie.

Anyway, I haven't seen much of that anymore. I haven't been there in a while though.
I think dual-wielding anything heavier than an SMG is pretty pointless, for one you end up with MANY wasted BB's, and your arm would get tired pretty quickly from holding two guns straight in front of you. At least with pistols you can pick your shots contrary to two heavy weapons which just really ends up with bullets sprayed all over the place haha. So how'd that guy do with the dual P-90's?
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2008, 06:09:15 PM »

Well P90s are pretty light, even for SMGs. So on the accuracy I don't think they would be horribly ridiculous. I think if you found a way to make an effective sling for both. (My specialty btw, I just made a one point for my CQS, and I've made many slings for others.) Just as long as you could concentrait enough to keep them pointed in the same direction. Again, it would take practice.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2008, 06:36:53 PM »

But back to pistols, don't those guys that have to shoot targets as fast as they can. (can't remember the name of the sport anymore) Don't they have those special magazine "holsters" attached to there belts for quick reloading? Because those would be handy.


its called combat pistol shooting
dual wielding isnt that hard as long as u alturnate hands when shooting (i.e. right,left,right,left...) and not trying both at the same time (pulling both triggers at same time) and if u keep both pistols in ur line of sight (where u can see both pistols at the same time). or u could just learn to point and shoot (shoot w/o looking down the sights or across thetop of the gun like shooting from the hip).
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2008, 07:09:21 PM »

Wouldn't it be difficult to dual wield, since most GBB have the safety that must be pushed down to fire?
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2008, 07:26:36 PM »

I can imagine it being fairly easy, if you put a laser beam thingy (forgot the tatical term) on each Gbb. Just like hitman
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2008, 07:35:57 PM »

Wouldn't it be difficult to dual wield, since most GBB have the safety that must be pushed down to fire?
only 1911's. even then, its easy because the grip safty is naturally held down when you hold the pistol.
I can imagine it being fairly easy, if you put a laser beam thingy (forgot the tatical term) on each Gbb. Just like hitman
that would be a laser or LAM (laser aiming module) but those are hard to see during the day
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2008, 07:38:40 PM »

Wouldn't it be difficult to dual wield, since most GBB have the safety that must be pushed down to fire?

What? Do you mean a grip safety?

I can imagine it being fairly easy, if you put a laser beam thingy (forgot the tatical term) on each Gbb. Just like hitman

Laser sight? Lasers really never help too much unless you know how to adjust it, which most people don't. I remember this kid who just slapped a laser on his Glock, and forgot (or most likely didn't know) that he had to adjust before it can be accurate. It didn't help him since he missed pretty much all his targets...

Laser are over rated on GBB's...

Edit: Damn, Killamaniac, you're fast... or I'm really slow :D.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2008, 07:44:10 PM »

Yea, I mean the grip safety.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2008, 10:56:55 PM »

jeahhh gunnman, I'm awesome like that :D haha. Anyways I only use pistols if it's a laser/light combo, and if the price justifys it (i.e. only an extra 10 bucks or something, not 50)
 
And yeah the grip safties are on the grip so holding the gun engages it just fine
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2008, 11:22:30 PM »

Lasers rule for pistols if you set them up right, there is no faster sight system. However, they're only good for short range, and cheap ones will get knocked out of alignment. You don't sight them in for aiming on the bullseye, though, you sight them in straight. The laser is mounted about an inch below the barrel, so sighted in straight the bb will hit about an inch above the laser. You don't need it to be any more accurate than that, because all you really need to do is be able to hit a human-sized target.

Dual weilding is tons of fun, no doubt. It's not as effective as you might think, except for the exceptions mentioned already. It's good for sustaining fire, especially when you don't need to be terribly accurate (suppression). Engaging two targets sounds good on paper, but realistically, you're only going to be able to engage one at a time. There are exceptions, of course. In CQB, in a room with two exits, of you're positioned so you can see both doors, you can aim one gun at each and watch them both with your peripheral vision.

There is also a great intimidation factor. Someone running at you with both guns blazing makes you want to keep your head down, maybe even more than someone running at you with an AEG on full auto, even thought the AEG is likely to be sending a lot more plastic your way a lot more accurately. Realistically, someone dual wielding is less likely to hit you than someone with one gun with a good sight picture. But that doesn't make it any less fun.  ;)

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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2008, 11:36:45 PM »

So then, yes, it is worth trying, but it could not work out at all. Or you could become the next DRK with GBBs. Give it a try and see what happens. It's worth it.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2008, 11:42:06 PM »

I definitely agree with most of you guys. However, when I get the money (or maybe a new gbb for christmas haha), I will be able to dual wield. I'm totally gonna do it too. I can't wait til my next skirmish :D
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2008, 12:15:42 AM »

If it's a skirmish I say go for it. I think it would be really fun at a zombie game when everyone's just running rambo.
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« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2008, 12:39:31 AM »

If it's a skirmish I say go for it. I think it would be really fun at a zombie game when everyone's just running rambo.
Oh! Brilliant! Thank you! The thought of a Zombie game never even crossed my mind! Wow that would be so much fun. But its best with springers considering the damage you can do with a Gas/Electric blowback pistol at close ranges.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2008, 01:19:47 AM »

I wonder if there is a brand wich makes pistols for right AND left handed people. would be very handy for dual wielding ;D

USP .45s.

but i think that it can be useful in very specific situations.  personally though, i wouldn't do it ever.  i pick and choose my shots very carefully in pistol games, and i can't afford to not be able to hit my target.  i like making those long range precision shots, and i can't do it with one hand.  i personally don't give a care about ROF.

EDIT:  i've seen people try to dual wield at pistol/shotgun only zombie game.  it was horrible.  they dropped like flies and had to reload alot, which was really bad for them since we only got two magazines per person, and could only reload at the reloading stations around the field.
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2008, 03:05:19 AM »

Dual wielding pistols is extremely fun... If you like sprinting...  When I first started I bought an M249 SAW after I got tired of lugging that around I would borrow two sidearms from my friends... One was an electric Glock 18 and the other was a Gas USP .45  I had 2 mags for each.  I'm ambidextrous but my accuracy was crap with my left hand... To compensate for this I would engage full auto on the Glock in my left hand and pick shots with the USP in my right.  I would burst the Glock until they were close or until I jumped out of cover and sprayed to cover my retreat... That seemed to be the best combo - Auto in left, semi in right...  Have your team cover you while reloading... Teamwork makes the dream work!
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Re: Dual GBB pistols? Is it worth trying?
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2008, 08:46:45 AM »

Wow.... When you put it like that it sounds CARAZY fun.  8)
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« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2008, 10:01:05 AM »

Once i dual wielded my friends mac-11 with my ruger. Needless to say, it was cool but useless.
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« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2008, 11:12:31 AM »

USP .45s.
What i meant was a pistol that has the mag release and slide catch at the right side of the frame, instead of the left, so that you could operate them with your thumb, whilst holding it in your left hand.
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