Topic: VFC and G&G SCAR questions (Read 2815 times)

thetrigger · « **on:** January 17, 2009, 09:39:31 PM »

Well with tax returns rolling around I'm looking into a new rifle (hey those taxes kept me from a new rifle far too long), I've narrowed down my style choice to a SCAR-L (the L for mag compatibility sake). I'm planning on turning this into a DMR simply because my existing DMR is often confused for a sniper rifle (that and I also have enough CQB range rifles).
So along those lines:
- Gearbox needs to withstand an Guarder SP130/PDI 210%
- Will need a 509mm 6.03mm Mad Bull Black Python v2.
- Type 0 cylinder (possibly a bore-up kit, though not necessary)
Since it's a DMR I don't plan on worrying about an opening stock, so that's not a huge issue.

My question is not which rifle is better, but rather which will (or possibly at all) survive an SP130/PDI 210% with their version 2 gearbox designs. Also in pure interest, how well do the G&G/VFC stocks hold up?

airsoftmatthias · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2009, 07:16:10 PM »

I did some researching on the VFC's and G&G's Scars in hope of purchasing one of them. From what I know the G&G's stock is more prone to breaking, but the inherent design of the stock would cause both to break if put under a lot of stress. I cannot help with your other question.

TheProblem · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2009, 12:01:42 PM »

I think you'll find that the VFC is an all-around superior product. It's color is accurate to the actual Mk 16 (SCAR-L) (G&G's coloring is off), it's model accuracy is near perfect, and it has a VFC gearbox. Oh, and it's externals are made out of aircraft-grade aluminum, and IIRC, the G&G Mk 16's reciever is made of magnesium. The difference? Aluminum is far stronger.

As far as internals go, I have heard many a comment as to the durability of VFC gearboxes. I haven't heard much about G&G recently, but in the past I remember a lot of complaints. IIRC, the VFC's gearbox is reinforced. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong

Shift · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2009, 04:36:15 PM »

I'd say the G&G's internals should be quite good too. They're recent Vr. 2 gear boxes in their m4's i've heard are really good and i'd assume they'd just transplant it into the SCAR. Personaly i also like G&G's tan better also than VFC's. But if you want a EGLM i'd probably get the VFC's because i hear they're comming out with one but it may not be totally compatible with others.

pillowpants · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2009, 05:02:09 PM »

i have a vfc mk16 black and my stock does have a small crack where it folds but its been like that for 6 months and has not gotten worse. the vfc is very rugged, i have my gearbox maxed out with a pdi 190% and it works fine. oh and you will need a new motor i recommend a matrix turbo(red one). i think both are almost equal but i would say just spend the extra $30 and go with vfc. oh and the vfc comes with a hard case and extra inner barrel,and be careful removing the gearbox i almost broke my selector gears taking it out.(my fault didnt know how to take it apart)
if you have any ?'s about the vfc pm me

thetrigger · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2009, 05:23:59 PM »

really externals aren't a big deal in this case (I kinda find the G&G SCAR coloring attractive but I like the VFC ingenuity), it's meant to be a new DMR which pretty much means I'm not going to be weighing it down with an EGLM or what not (though I do love the looks of them), it'll receive a M16 TB, and a PDI 210% or Guarder SP130.

Not sure on a new motor, I know I've seen good reports from the Guarder Torque Up's and the new G&P series.

Every company "claims" their version 2's are reinforced, but the question then becomes where, and what materials/grades are used.

Michael, with the PDI 190% in there what kind of FPS/ROF do you get?

pillowpants · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2009, 07:22:45 PM »

well i use a 8.4v because i want a realistic rof but with a 9.6 i get about 15-18rps but my gun is set up to fire slow.my fps is about 420-430
i dont have a bigger battery than a 9.6v 1200mah.

DTRSandman · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2009, 07:30:58 PM »

thetrigger my G&G SCAR is rock solid, have had zero problems with it, and never have heard of any problems on ASR with them mostly I see VFC SCAR problems. You can't go wrong either way, but the G&G is better in my opinion.

Kiltman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2009, 08:55:37 PM »

I won't trade my VFC scar for anything. Works just as good now as the day I got it.

pillowpants · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2009, 10:01:54 PM »

ok i just looked up the g&g scar on youtube and it doesn't strip down like the vfc, the vfc one is realistic and much much faster. i thought it took me a long time but compared to g&g it fast.
1 extra point for vfc

thetrigger · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2009, 11:33:27 PM »

come on seriously?

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I won't trade my VFC scar for anything. Works just as good now as the day I got it.

No offense man, but if you can't post anything helpful don't clutter up a thread..*shakes head*

My buddy has a G&G GR16 CQBR and it's a beast, I wouldn't hesitate in throwing in a M120/M130. However, looking at the VFC SCAR, there the ingenuity is just too tempting. Realistic teardown isn't a big deal, either one isn't too bad from what I saw. I'm more concerned about the internals surviving a high FPS setup.

Oh well I suppose if I do blow the VFC gearbox I suppose that'll give me a chance to try out some of the beefier ones (hmm Systema Revolution?).

Thanks for the help Michael. DTR yeah I guess I'll just bite the bullet and see how it turns out, probably some sucker that'll take a VFC off my hands if I end up getting the G&G.

btw, I'm still not sure if I want the SCAR-L or SCAR-H. I like the L simply because I already have quite a few STANAG based rifles as well as a few VN style mags that almost mask the L as an H. On the other hand there isn't a substitute for any 7.62 based replica, my only concern is finding mags that actually fit and feed. I haven't seen any sort of clear answer as to what the VFC SCAR-H takes for mags?

Shift · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2009, 11:59:15 PM »

Quote from: thetrigger on January 20, 2009, 11:33:27 PM

I'm still not sure if I want the SCAR-L or SCAR-H.

Well if you're going for a DMR set up i'd go with the H. In a official FNH video you will see the H's as the DMR. The real steal H's SV model also has a slightly longer barrel the the L's. Though this information is kind of for the realism nuts and wouldn't really affect performance. I mean how much would the differnce of a few millimeters be? But VFC is the only one that makes an H between the two companies given.

Just a slight note, i heard that the VFC has nylon bushings but i can't confirm this.

pillowpants · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2009, 01:38:15 AM »

not to sound rude but it depends what you use it for i use my mk16 for training so realistic take down is important, plus its also faster to get to the gearbox so if something happens you don't spend all day fixing it. but i would say both are pretty much equal,the vfc cost $40 more but brings a cqb inner barrel and a case. as for mk16 vs mk17 as a dmr it depends whether you will fully commit to being a dm. if you really wanna be a dm then get the mk17 you wont need much ammo so 2 hi-cap mags should be fine ,plus the mk17 just looks like a tactical dmr. now if you plan on changing from a dm to assault then i would recommend the mk16 seeing as how if you run out of ammo you could ask a teammate fore a spare mag. but it all comes down to what you like i prefer the mk16 because it is a assault rifle where as the mk17 is a battle rifle.
Quote from: Shift on January 20, 2009, 10:59:15 pm

Just a slight note, i heard that the VFC has nylon bushings but i can't confirm this.

the vfc does have cheap bushings but he is going to upgrade his gearbox so he might as well swap bushings. oh and i would highly recommend the modify modular 7mm gear kit it takes 2sec. to install and is rock solid i use it and i am never going back to regular gear sets. to bad they don't make them for the m249.

mig1 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:22:40 AM »

Quote from: thetrigger on January 20, 2009, 11:33:27 PM

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Oh well I suppose if I do blow the VFC gearbox I suppose that'll give me a chance to try out some of the beefier ones (hmm Systema Revolution?).
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That's the only problem I have with the VFC. It has a nonstandard gearbox due to the ambidextrous selector. I suppose you may be able to mod a Revolution by drilling a hole in exactly the right position for the ambi selector axle. But I haven't look inside one yet and wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of circuit board right where you would need to drill.

thetrigger · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:11:35 AM »

So I might end up with a standard reinforced gearbox, not really a big deal to me, more or less the Revo box is there to say I have one. I might just end up using my CA gearbox in the VFC. Yeah I was wondering how they made the ambi-selector.

Micheal you mean the all-in-one gearset?

I've been a DM for quite a while now, the only reason I want to build a new DMR ismy current one (CA SL8) is constantly mistaken as a sniper rifle, I'm sick of it, so I'm aiming for something new.

I've read the VFC had nylon bushings (which might explain some of the failure threads).
I'm not a fan of high-caps so I'd prefer to find mid-caps if I got a -H any ideas there? Does the VFC come with a high-cap to start?

Please post a link if you know of any -H mags that will fit the VFC.

PS: Micheal you might want to edit your post,they don't like double posting.

pillowpants · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:03:40 PM »

yea the all in one gear set

http://www.airsoftpost.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=modify+modular&Submit=Search

i know the vfc comes with one hi-cap but not sure if there are any mid-caps. the mag looks like a large m4 mag so regular 7.62 mags wont work. but if you go to evike and look up the g&g gr25/sr25 50rd mag it should work for the vfc. both the sr25 and mk17 have the same magwell and mag release.
here is a link to a mag for the mk17
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=15182

mickman293 i see what you mean about the ridges on the mags the G&g mags will NOT work for the mk17

mickman293 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2009, 03:17:47 PM »

VFC SCAR-H mags have a much smaller and off center ridge. The G&P's have a larger ridge placed in the center.

http://www.precisionairsoft.net/v/vspfiles/photos/VFM010-2.jpg

Quote from: thetrigger on January 20, 2009, 11:33:27 PM

I haven't seen any sort of clear answer as to what the VFC SCAR-H takes for mags?

So far VFC hi-caps are the only thing I have found, though I haven't been looking to hard lately. I tried to mod an M14 mag, looked ugly and aligning the notch was quite hard so it ended up not locking in tight enough to feed. Ruining one mag was enough for me.

If anyone ever finds a mid/low-cap solution for the VFC SCAR-H please PM me!

thetrigger · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:27:11 PM »

Any way the internals could be swapped?

mig1 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 26, 2009, 08:46:57 PM »

Bugger. I was just looking and I was right. It looks like there is a board right where the hole for the ambi selector axle needs to go.

Here's the VFC gearbox.
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=VFC-PT-SCAR23_srch_VFC Click on enlarge picture. The hole is right below the selector plate and looks kind of like a fourth gear would go there.

Here's the Revolution gearbox.
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index.php?main_page=popup_image_additional&pID=4055&pic=0&products_image_large_additional=images/SYSREVM110M161.jpg&zenid=64f3b46d44a31339a917501822bb7b17

pillowpants · « **Reply #19 on:** January 26, 2009, 10:37:38 PM »

thank you mig1 i was going to buy one in about a week ,that would have suck if i did.

Molder · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2009, 12:10:54 AM »

I looked into it a lot for myself, in the end I found the G&G to give you more bang for your buck.

G&Gs-

internals are better.

looks almost as good

tightbore (but your going to replace that probably)

Vfc is overpriced as hell

mig1 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:26:19 PM »

Tango Down was showcasing the VFC SCARs at Shot Show 2009

pwner50 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2009, 12:50:44 PM »

I don't know how many G&G SCARs it happened to, but after about 2 or 3 practice games, the left selector switch broke on mine. Luckily I have the right one still working, but I still don't understand how that happened. But overall, the internals of it are fairly sturdy.

NoFear · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:01:09 PM »

yes the VFC has plastic bushings.

however, mine is currently out of commission due to some wiring issues and is at AEX getting repaired. Im also having them drop in a M120 and metal bushings. Ill let you know how it performs once I get it back.

SMGLee · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2009, 08:18:37 PM »

VFC SCAR are about the closest to the real thing, VFC SCAR even made it into the NSWC armory for a photo op...the amrory chief was surprised that a civilian was able to bring in a SCAR until he figured it was an airsoft...

One more, EOTech's VFC SCAR at a West coast SWAT Expo..The FN rep came by to check on how EOTech got a SCAR...LOL

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