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I have seen several threads here on ASR recently asking questions over these mods. Well, I wanted to share with the sniper community what I have done and why I have chose to do them. I will try to cover each modification in detail. The first two mods may be applied to rifles other than the VSR/BAR 10, however, the brass shims are specific to the BAR/VSR 10 hop-up unit.

Clay Stock Mod for VSR/BAR 10

This modification use non-hardening and reusable modeling clay. The primary purpose of this modification is to reduce the noise output of the rifle firing by reducing the amount of echos created within the hollow stock of a VSR/BAR 10. Furthermore, this mod will also add weight to the rifle which is great for balancing a heavy outer barrel such as the PDI Outer Bull Barrel. The added weight will also make your rifle feel more like a real steel rifle.

The first thing I did was filled the entire butt stock with modeling clay as shown below


Next I filled the entire front portion of the stock with the modeling clay as best as I could.


The modeling clay is great because it will stick to the walls of the rifle allowing you add clay around the trigger mechanism. This will further reduce echos created within the stock and it is very important to add clay in this area since these hollow spaces are closest to the source of the noise (piston hitting cylinder head).



In addition, The Crimson Falcon and Nickswimsfast provided a great idea that I did not think of! They suggested that clay be added around the trigger mechanism to help reduce the amount of noise that exits from the cylinder. The photos below were provided by Nickswimsfast.



The modeling clay that I used is called "EZ Shape Modeling Clay: Non-Hardening and Reusable." I purchased this clay for $4.99 a box at Joann's Arts and Crafts Store. The Stock Clay mod will require 2 boxes to complete; some clay will be left over. I am sure this clay can be purchased at any arts and crafts store.

Lastly, what makes this mod great is that it is not permanent. If you dont like it, simply scoop the clay out and clean the stock with a wet rag. With its very low cost, this mod is definitely worth a try if you are thinking of adding weight to your rifle or trying to reduce the noise output.

Clay Stock Mod for L96

The following words and pictures were provided by StEaLtHlEaD and I take no credit.

Okay so this is what I did. SVT feel free to add these pictures and words, even change them I don't mind at all, it would be an honor in fact. :P

For anyone thinking it would be tough to do the clay mod with an L96 well, you thought wrong. It was actually pretty easy. Getting it apart took longer then the process of adding the clay. I have a UTG L96 which is the same as WELL, warrior, etc. so this should be similar to all L96's I assume. I started out taking everything apart; the upper receiver/barrel unit completely off, all the body screws taken out, etc. I cracked open the plastic body in disgust.. I really don't like split bodies like that, it makes it feel all cheap which is what I was thinking ever since I bought this gun. I used the clay SVT said except it was multi colored. Same material, same weight, just different colors. Here is a picture of it:

So yea that's really about it. This is very obvious; the clay goes into the stock. Main things to mention here is making sure the cheek rest block, trigger unit, and weights can fit tightly. I put clay under the weights which I highly advise; remember any empty space means more sound. Here is the first half. You just smooth it down pretty much with your hands. Just like in arts and crafts.. :P

Yep. Same thing with the other side. Here are the two pieces next to each other.

Since L96's are built differently, you can't quite add the clay the same way SVT did originally with his VSR10. I added a bit of clay into the metal box thing in the stock, and I will most likely add a bit more to the middle/front end of the gun. This mod adds A LOT of weight!! It feels a lot better, in fact is a bit to heavy on the backside now. (Which I love!) Another thing to note is the stock pretty much stops creaking, and making cheap plastic sounds. It feels 10000x times more realistic and I am very impressed with the results of this! So yep, that's about it. Enjoy! :)

Foam Stock Mod for L96

The following words and pictures were provided by xbeeongx and I take no credit.

Not to steal SVTCobra or StealthLead's thunder, but since there are now L96's involved in this thread, I'll just add this little bit. The L96's already heavy body combined with the difficulty of separating the body drove me to seek this alternative to the clay: foam.



This is just plain, somewhat squishy foam that can be seen lining the boxes of many products. It is squishy and it easily rebounds to its original shape if squeezed. In the above picture I cut out long strips and just smushed them into the handle / stock area, all without having to split the body in twain. There is enough foam in the handle to take up twice the stock's volume, but the foam squishes so that's why so much was added.

Below is a picture of the foam placed in the area right next to the trigger, with a slot cut out for the spring guide stopper. L96 users are familiar with that metal frame in which the trigger and receiver fit. In the metal frame is a hollow cavity, directly in front of the trigger area. The foam was also cut to shape and stuffed in there to reduce echo.



I also stuffed the foam into the hollow ribs of the body where the outer barrel rests.


Not pictured is the area right in front of the mag release. If you use the stock hop up chamber, you cannot do this foam mod as well, since you need to have unobstructed access to the area in front of the mag release in order to adjust hop up. For those using the PDI hop up, the area in front of the mag release will no longer need to be used, so you can just foam it up.

The most reduction in sound will come from padding up that empty cavity in the metal frame in front of the trigger. The foam will not be as good as the clay, but with its rebounding advantage I also added some of it directly INTO the zero trigger for my L96.



I have played dozens of games since doing this foam mod to the trigger alone, and and has never jammed.


1 Piece Barrel Spacer

The importance of a 1 piece barrel spacer is to boost the accuracy of your rifle by damping the vibrations sent through the inner barrel from the piston hitting the cylinder head.This mod is very simple to do, however it requires that your rifle has a cylindrical outer barrel such as those found on the L96's or the PDI Outer Bull Barrels for the VSR/BAR 10's. All I did was wrap the inner barrel with sheets of computer printing paper until the paper spacer fit perfectly within the outer barrel. I used clear tape on the entire edge of each sheet to hold the paper down. The sheets were wrapped tightly, however it is not required that they be perfectly wrapped. In other words, wrap the sheets as tightly as you can but don't feel that you need to remake your spacer if it is slightly "squishy" in the end (I will explain below). The spacer should fit within the outer barrel snugly; it should not wobble or slide loosely, nor should the spacer fit so tightly that you have difficulty sliding the barrel in and out of the outer barrel. My spacer looks like this


You may notice the small black spacer at the front of the barrel. I reused the stock BAR 10 front plastic spacer by shaving it down to size. I have used this spacer for almost 1 year now and so far it has worked great for me. I noticed a large improvement when I switched from the stock BAR-10 spacers to this 1 piece spacer. Computer printing paper is great for damping vibrations since there will be small amounts of air trapped within the sheets of paper. These pockets of air will cushion the inner barrel when it starts to vibrate.  

Brass Shims for VSR/BAR 10 Hop-Up Unit

These shims are used to solve curving problems with the BAR/VSR 10s. I am not going to cover the problem here since Noobie has adequately explained the problem and covered the solution in his BAR 10 Project thread. What I will explain is how I made my shims and the reasons why they are shaped the way they are.

The shims are made from Brass Shim Stock which can be purchased at a hardware store such as ACE. There are various thicknesses that you can purchase; I chose the smallest thickness because shims can be layered upon one another if they are too thin. The cost of the brass shim stock is roughly $2.

For the left side of the hop-up unit I cut a rectangular piece with a pair of scissors like so.

It is important to have a full length shim because it will ensure that the hop-up arm does not rotate horizontally. It is my opinion that AEG shims will not suffice with the BAR/VSR 10 hop-up unit because they will not give the benefit of a full length shim (which is the prevention of horizontal hop-arm movement). The center hole was cut using a drill bit slightly larger than the hop-up arm stud. I forget what was the size of this drill bit, however if I can find it again, I will update this thread with the size. Make sure to add steady pressure to the shim while drilling the hole. Although, dont add too much pressure or else you will tear and ruin your shim. I used an electrical power drill and I found that cutting was cleanest using very low rpms. I also cut my shims on top of a thick magazine so that I would not ruin my desk; I am sure something similar such as a block of wood will work just as well.

The shims for the right side of the hop-up unit are made in two different ways as shown.

This shim can be made into 1 piece or two pieces. The top of the picture shows a 1 piece shim and the bottom shows a two piece shim. Either method will work just as well, however, I found it was much easier making a 2 piece shim than a 1 piece shim. The 1 piece shim was made by cutting a strip of brass down the middle of a left side shim. The 2 piece shim was made by cutting an "L" and a straight piece, making sure to trim them so that all hop-up parts have a perfect clearance.

You may find that working with the brass shim stock maybe a bit frustrating at first since the shim stock is easily bent. I found that a bent shim maybe salvaged by placing it on a hard surface (such as concrete or metal) and flattening it back out using a hammer. You can bang the shim multiple times and then finish off by "grinding" the shim with the head of the hammer using horizontal movements. The shims were attached to the walls of the hop-up unit using Elmer's Glue Stick. This glue is great because it will hold onto the shims tightly enough for airsoft purposes, but not so tight that you have to ruin your shim to get it off if you need to change/repair/re-glue your shim.

Lastly I want to give some credit to Nshadow for these shims. I first learned about shimming from him, then after many attempts, I perfected and made the custom shims I have shown above.

Brass Shim For VSR/BAR 10 Hop-Up Arm

One method you can improve the tolerances of you hop-up unit is by reducing the amount of slack between the protrusion of the slider arm and the horizontal cut-out in the hop-up arm. The goal of this mod is to make the whole system a tad bit more rigid. Its main focus is on keeping the protrusion and hop-up arm as static as possible during firing. Your shots will be more consistent since the applied hop-up on the bb will be more consistent. Ideally you want your hop-up unit to to remain completely motionless during each and every shot. This mod should help your hop-up unit reach that idealization; especially when coupled with other hop-up unit mods.

This mod is done by placing a brass shim inside of the horizontal cutout; the shim gives a much more snug fit to the protrusion from the slider arm. To perform this mod start off by using a small flat file and sand away any cast lines inside of the horizontal cutout. Make sure both the top and bottom surfaces of the cutout are as flat as possible.



Next take some of your shim stock and cut out a shim that fits inside of the horizontal cutout. My shim happens to be 5.4mm x 19mm. Make sure to test fit the shim inside of the cutout and remove excess material if necessary. If your shim happens to bend/warp/twist during cutting, you can re-flatten the piece by lightly banging on it with a flat head hammer on a flat hard surface.



Once your are satisfied with the piece, glue it inside of your horizontal cutout. I always start off with Elmer's glue because its a weak strength glue with a slow cure time. This glue allows for multiple attempts because its residue is easily removed without damaging the hop-up arm or shim. If the Elmer's glue proves to be too weak, then you can upgrade to super glue. However, I suspect that the Elmer's glue will be strong enough for this mod.



Give the glue at least 15 minutes to dry and then test fit the slider arm protrusion inside the horizontal cutout. The protrusion should have a snug fit; not overly tight nor loose enough where the arm moves freely. If you take a look at the picture below, the hop-up arm will remain static on the protrusion no matter which angle I hold the piece at.



I also made a ring out of the same shim stock to shim the hop-up arm protrusion with the hop-up shell. This shim is held with super-glue because the extra strength is needed.






Well feel free to comment, criticize, and share your experiences. Thanks for reading!
 

  
« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 10:58:59 PM by SVT Cobra »
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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 01:27:53 AM »

Nice job,
Are you using 8.5x11 paper for the spacers?
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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 01:28:24 AM »

Two very solid modifications you have here SVT Cobra!!

Abit different in method, but VERY good because they are all done with easy to acquire materials. And re-do-able if need be... Thats my favorite part of your methods...

I'll be trying your clay method on my second G-Spec stock instead of the thermo-plastic, I expect it will be just as effective and give it a solid and balanced feel.

On a side note, I used the thermo around the mounting hole "cell" of the stock, but not the trigger cavity obviously due to flowing issues... no worries with that using the clay....

Again, Great concepts.

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 01:33:01 AM »

Nice job,
Are you using 8.5x11 paper for the spacers?
Thank you. Yes those are the exact dimensions of the paper.

Two very solid modifications you have here SVT Cobra!!

Abit different in method, but VERY good because they are all done with easy to acquire materials. And re-do-able if need be... Thats my favorite part of your methods...

I'll be trying your clay method on my second G-Spec stock instead of the thermo-plastic, I expect it will be just as effective and give it a solid and balanced feel.

On a side note, I used the thermo around the mounting hole "cell" of the stock, but not the trigger cavity obviously due to flowing issues... no worries with that using the clay....

Again, Great concepts.
Thanks! I wanted to add some clay around the mounting hole as well but I was afraid it would interfere with the hop-up block. I think I will go back and try to add some and just mold around the block. Thanks again.

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 04:07:52 AM »

truly ingenious mods, I'll be switching to paper spacers for the ease of application. I learned about modeling clay from you I believe. I use it on the outside of my trigger to receiver for sound dampening of the bolt. Great Job Thanks!

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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 05:29:47 AM »

Nicely done! I like the idea of clay around the trigger box, I would've never thought of that. Great Job!
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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 05:40:52 AM »

How much weight did the clay add to the gun? I would imagine it made it much heavyer

The box says 1.1 pounds. He said he used 2 boxes and had some left.  I would assume around 2 pounds.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 06:53:08 AM »

Like the barrel spacer very much & it's very practical. Nice job there mate!
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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 09:41:51 AM »

Good job SVT Cobra. Especially the shims. I know how difficult and frustrating those are to make, and yours are perfect. great guide man. ;)
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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 12:16:48 PM »

Thanks for the comments guys!

How much weight did the clay add to the gun? I would imagine it made it much heavyer
The box says 1.1 pounds. He said he used 2 boxes and had some left.  I would assume around 2 pounds.
Yes, that is a very good estimation, the clay added roughly 2 pounds to my rifle.

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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 12:59:48 PM »

I personally used some sand out of my yard  ::) ( I'm a cheap one for DIY's) and covered that with a bit of clay, and then put duct tape over that... (I dont have a buttpad cause I bought my Bar-10 from a boneyard for upgrading...) I also had a one piece barrel spacer idea... I took some 39 cent sheets of craft foam, and then wrapped them around the outer barrel, since I have a Pro, It made it a little harder, but it worked great...
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 01:10:38 PM »

I personally used some sand out of my yard  ::) ( I'm a cheap one for DIY's) and covered that with a bit of clay, and then put duct tape over that... (I dont have a buttpad cause I bought my Bar-10 from a boneyard for upgrading...) I also had a one piece barrel spacer idea... I took some 39 cent sheets of craft foam, and then wrapped them around the outer barrel, since I have a Pro, It made it a little harder, but it worked great...
Yeah sand works great too but when I tried it, the sand kept shifting and moving inside the stock no matter how hard I packed it in...I just didnt like the sound or feel of it. I also was a little paranoid that the sand would somehow make its way into the trigger mech over time. Thats why I switched over to clay, its a little cleaner and no shifting around  :).

I like your idea of the foam sheets too! 

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2009, 03:08:37 PM »

great stuff, ima have to make some shims when i get the chance. i did the same thing with the clay accept i used hot glue, and only in the first square near the barrel of the gun, and the 2nd square near the magazine well... works great, id recommend everyone to do this.

can i make shims out of something else? the copper seems a little weak.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 03:16:13 PM »

great stuff, ima have to make some shims when i get the chance. i did the same thing with the clay accept i used hot glue, and only in the first square near the barrel of the gun, and the 2nd square near the magazine well... works great, id recommend everyone to do this.

can i make shims out of something else? the copper seems a little weak.
Sure, you can make the shims out of any metal. Stainless Steel would be ideal, however it may require some machinery to manufacture. I chose the brass shim stock because its cheap, readily available, and a pair of scissors can cut cleanly through it without ruining the scissors. I think stainless steel shim stock is available for purchase at hardware stores, but I am not sure how difficult it would be to cut through it (or if your scissors will survive  :P).

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 03:29:30 PM »

I just packed the sand in by tapping the stock witha screwdriver until no more sand could fit, and the sand cant shift around at all... I sealed off the trigger mech with a little clay, plus the foam I had put in there before I had sand and clay in it...
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2009, 05:09:22 PM »

I made my shims out of stainless steel and found the easiest way to make them was to just use a utility knife. I just kept cutting along the same line until the knife went through the metal, or if you try to bend the metal along the line it should just snap apart. Copper seems like a better idea though due to availability and its easier to cut, I don't think it being weaker than steel will affect much.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2009, 05:30:34 PM »

The clay is genius, consider it stolen.  ;D

As for the shims, cuting stainless steel shims is easy, you just use a punch/chisel and a mallet to cut it. Then use the mallet on a hard surface to make sure it's perfectly flat.

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2009, 08:01:32 PM »

ok, well i just finished, i made the shims out of e-tape, and HOLY CR4p it made a difference! before i was hitting a 7 inch tree id say 6 out of 10 times from 210 feet, now im hitting it almost every shot, not as many bbs curve, and dont curve as much.

ill try and make metal shims down the road, and i think im going to use clay that gets hard so its a little more permanent.
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 01:53:11 AM »

I used "Crayola Model Magic Clay"  which is a VERY lightweight alternative to regular clay.
It is also more spongy and elastic than regular clay.

I also installed the paper barrel spacer which was tricky at first due to my tapered barrel but ended up tearing smaller sheets of paer to taper the spacer as well.

Great Mods, both contribute to accuracy and silence.

next up for me are the hop-up shims...
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 05:21:26 PM »

Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it!

I used "Crayola Model Magic Clay"  which is a VERY lightweight alternative to regular clay.
It is also more spongy and elastic than regular clay.
How did you like the Crayola clay? Did it help silence the rifle?

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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2009, 07:01:03 PM »

Hmm, where did you get the idea on that solid spacer?
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Re: SVT Cobra's Clay Stock Mod + 1 Piece Barrel Spacer + Brass Shims
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2009, 07:35:35 PM »

Cobra, if my barrel is not tappered, do you think that it would be better to use the paper spacer or spray expanding foam?
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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2009, 07:42:08 PM »

Hmm, where did you get the idea on that solid spacer?

I'm afraid the idea has been around for awhile. This is from a PM I received from TCF on September 22, 2008, 12:40:30 pm. 
Admittedly, you and Battosui were the first to make it out of metal, and the first to make a good aftermarket solution.

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Additionally, I tend to install full length hard foam barrel spacers on all of my guns, which eliminates any barrel vibration.  Basically, you wrap some wax paper around the barrel, and do a tape spacer by the hopup.  Then fill the rest of the outer barrel with the inner barrel and hopup installed with some expanding foam or epoxy putty, or some combination thereof, and let it seal.

SVTCobra was certainly not "stealing" your idea, he merely came up with a natural permutation that is a cost-effective DIY mod.
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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2009, 08:08:02 PM »

lol, yea i had one custom made as well out of metal well similar.  it was a complete barrel that was regular size near where the hop up unit was and by the end of the barrel, thats not new.
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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2009, 11:58:38 PM »

Hmm, where did you get the idea on that solid spacer?
A little more than a year ago I was PM'ing a guy named "Benoli M3" about barrel spacers. He said he made custom spacers on a lathe and that he had 8 of them for his rifle. Then I attempted to make a 1 piece metal spacer out of aluminum on my lathe and made grooves on the outside of the spacer so that I could install o-rings for damping. Basically, I was trying to copy PDI's barrel spacers (http://www.x-fire.org/vsr10/e.g_spacer.html) with the exception that mine was to be 1 piece. Long story short, my aluminum spacer was not made correctly, I decided to make a paper spacer (shown above) for the time being until I could rework another aluminum spacer on my lathe. However, the paper spacer worked so well that I never returned to make another aluminum spacer. Keep in mind this spacer was constructed a little more than 1 year ago  ;).

Cobra, if my barrel is not tappered, do you think that it would be better to use the paper spacer or spray expanding foam?
I think you will have roughly the same results with both and it would become difficult to prove that one spacer is better than the other. For me, I would chose a paper spacer since its not permanent and easier to install/remove. I was paranoid that the foam would not expand evenly or expand too much and getting all over the hop-up chamber forcing me to clean it out and redo it. 
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