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dune titan

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AK47 Gearbox Trouble
« on: June 12, 2009, 05:46:51 PM »

I'm helping a friend with his AK47. When firing on semi auto and full auto every 3rd cycle shoots a bb. When I stripped the gun down to the gearbox and test fired it, I noticed that on semi the nozzle's resting position is random, all depending on how fast the gears slow down after firing. Open taking the gearbox apart, everything seemed to move well and there was no wear, except on the piston which I replaced, which did nothing to the problem. Ideas? I'll post pictures if needed.

As an afterthought, I haven't checked if the hop-up is clogged or torn... I'll go check that.
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Re: AK47 Gearbox Trouble
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2009, 01:11:15 PM »

Please also check to see it the small spring recoiling the tapplet plate is in good, working order.
This can be caused by a tapplet plate problem too.
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Re: AK47 Gearbox Trouble
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 12:30:25 AM »

check your gears...the same thing happened to my m14 and i found out that my spur gear stripped...but that was after i checked the air nozzle and tappet plate to make sure they functioned properly.
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Re: AK47 Gearbox Trouble
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 12:33:38 AM »

To my knowledge, the tappet plate will come to rest in a random position, my M4 does with a 7.2. The piston cycles completely and rests in the forward position, but the tappet plate rests where it wants.
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Re: AK47 Gearbox Trouble
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 05:23:01 AM »

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I noticed that on semi the nozzle's resting position is random, all depending on how fast the gears slow down after firing.

You have Overspin.

Overspin - AEG's were engineered to be operated with batteries with discharge rates of 10-15 amps. Most batteries with high discharge rates of 30-35 amps or greater have the power to compress big springs and increase rate-of-fire. Unfortunately, a side effect is Overspin. Overspin occurs when the flow of electrons is cut from the trigger, but the residual electrons continue to spin the motor due to the high discharge rate and torque of the motor. This leaves the piston in a random position of being "half cocked", and the nozzle sometimes retracted. On Thompson V6 boxes, semi-auto results in 2 and even 3 round bursts. To end the effects of Overspin, a MOSFET trigger with ACTIVE BRAKING is installed. The braking will immediately cease the flow of electrons by sending the residual electrons to the negative side of the battery. This can aslo be accomplished with a SPDT auto relay. Which is much too large to install into most AEG's.

Is Overspin harmful? Not really. Unless you have a very weak spring and the piston is 3/4 of the way back.

Is there another way to stop overspin besides a MOSFET or SPDT relay? Yes. Downgrade your battery. Or get a low torque motor.

What's a low torque motor? Spin the pinion head of your motor. The easier it is to spin the pinion head, the lower the torque. You can also tell by the magnetic field generated by the motor.


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As others have stated the Tappet plate retracts the nozzle. If the cam on the sector gear has worn the tappet plate plastic, it will not fully retract stopping a bb from entering the hopup chamber.

Also check:

1. The hopup and bucking. Turn it off and test fire it.
2. Try another magazine other than a hicap.
3. The Magazine fit. Rock the mag in the magwell when test firing. Rock forward, fire. Rock back, fire. If possible try another magazine brand. Not all mags are 100% compatible.

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Re: AK47 Gearbox Trouble
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2009, 01:22:50 AM »

Okay thanks for all the reply's.

I've been busy the last couple of days, but when I left the Ak the gearbox was cycling and bb's were falling out the barrel... I can't expect much less from a boneyard gun though...

Lord Merlin - As far as I can see the tappet plate should cycle correctly... there is little resistance besides the spring attached to it.

Mrah - With the current state of the gun I'm thinking I stripped a gear (I'm running out of replacement parts)

Motorhead - Yeah I've watched it and it does coe to rest randomly... where are those disc brakes?  ;D

BigEd - Overspin is definitely one of the problems. When I first got the gun (a boneyard from Kapowwe) it fired perfectly fine, with the cheap CYMA mini battery that came with it. I've been doing all my testing since then with a 4200 mah 8.4, with a peak amp discharge of 30 or so. Can I solve this problem without getting a mosfet?
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