Topic: Jimmye's Bar-10 Project Most Range with minimal mods (Read 1413 times)

jimmye · « **on:** July 25, 2009, 05:13:19 PM »

Edit:More if you go down page/Updating range tomorrow after i test new Barrel whipping mod.

Cost

Bar-10 $100
Screws $ 3.50
X-RING $ 1.50
DIY MODS $5.00
AE .28 $8.00
total: $118

To Come:new barrel,new hop-up,more DIY

I recently ordered another bar and only did one DIY mods and installed an X-RING.I have been making skirmish size hits at 211 feet.

1. DIY Cylinder head

2.An X-RING on stock piston

Do you think these results are good?
thank you for taking the time to read

Jim

rotodyne · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2009, 05:40:28 PM »

How often do you hit 211 feet.

jimmye · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:15:14 PM »

about 8/10 with very low wind Also hop is half way And im shooting AE.28

link to see bigger http://www.airsoftretreat.com/gallery/showfull.php?photo=26635

killer_shot · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:20:32 PM »

Your BAR-10 is all stock except for those two mods and you're hitting pretty consistently out to 200 feet.. that's very surprising for me to hear 200 ft is good range.. you sure its 200 ft?

jimmye · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:35:07 PM »

according to google earth its 211 ft.I don't have a range finder but if i can barrow a cam i will put a vid. and walk out to the targets.

BoltAction · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:46:58 PM »

Well If your gonna walk out to them put on your swim trunks lol.
A consistant shot group out to 200 feet is good with just DIY mods.
Think of what its capable of with some after market parts.

sniperownagelol · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:55:22 PM »

That's a very good effective range for a almost stock rifle.

When I bought my Bar-10 about a year ago it would only do about 130' with about the same hit probability. (Then again I had KSC .30's..)

From my experiences Google earth is pretty accurate where I'm currently living, but it's always reassuring to check it manually with a tape.

Do you know the current fps your getting?

Did you leave the airbreak the stock full length?

May I ask how your compression is with that new x-ring? (If you don't know how, take off the stock along with the outer barrel, cock the cylinder that is in the receiver, then firmly hold a flat, high density piece of rubber on the cylinder head, then just pull the trigger, the piston should stay in place when it reaches the compression area for a good amount of time.

If it does have excellent compression; would you mind telling me the size of it, and where it can be obtained?
(The #13 o-ring I bought from HD Is having major compression problems at the moment.)

Are you planning on upgrading your rifle soon?

Good luck on your rifle.
-Danny

jimmye · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:03:47 PM »

@BoltAction. Im planning on getting a nineball and 6.00 edgi barrel and .27biovals

@Sniperownagelol.Yea i tested mine with ksc .30...never buying ksc again horrible everything you could imagine.Planning on measuring with a tape.No idea on fps i don't own a chronograph. air-break is stock length.I bought x-ring and upgrade screws so they don't strip from noobie. And i will get back to you on the compression test.

TOMMY GUNN · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:12:35 PM »

Thats really awesome. An inspiration. I gotta get an x ring. lol

jimmye · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:35:29 PM »

@Sniperownagelol. Compression is great only hear a tiny hss but that was because i was using my finger but the piston didn't seem to move.I couldn't find any rubber to use.Bought x-ring form noobies website.Number #13 in size

@TOMMY GUNN. X-RING=GOD LOL
Also try Rookies DIY cylinder head its pretty easy and i think it makes an improvement.Now all i have to do is wait for noobie to make more ABBR'S.Untill noobie makes more i have a DIY to fix the problem.

I'm hoping to get a video up tomorrow but it depends if i have to help my mom with her computer(little bro crashed it playing W.O.W.)and if i can find her video camera.

TOMMY GUNN · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:51:22 PM »

So where do you buy the xring and other parts. I have already done rookies mod, and didn't work so well for me. It took like an hour and a half and I barely got a bigger hole in the cylinder head.

Oh and where exactly do you put the xring?

A parts list of what you have and done would be great.

thanks,
Gordon

jimmye · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:02:12 PM »

You replace the Stock O-ring on the piston with the X-RING.I used 80 grit sandpaper on my cylinder head and what wou see in the pic took me about 20 minutes to complete.
I have not upgraded anything besides the x-ring and My own(rookies design) DIY piston head.
also the type of BBs you are using make a huge difference.i went from Ksc .3 to AE .28 the Ksc went all over the place.AE flew true and gave me the range/accuracy i showed in this thread. I cant wait to get my hands on biovals.

sniperownagelol · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2009, 12:20:16 AM »

Quote from: jimmye on July 25, 2009, 09:02:12 PM

You replace the Stock O-ring on the piston with the X-RING.I used 80 grit sandpaper on my cylinder head and what wou see in the pic took me about 20 minutes to complete.
I have not upgraded anything besides the x-ring and My own(rookies design) DIY piston head.
also the type of BBs you are using make a huge difference.i went from Ksc .3 to AE .28 the Ksc went all over the place.AE flew true and gave me the range/accuracy i showed in this thread. I cant wait to get my hands on biovals.

Just a warning: The biovals are awesome in just about every way, except they're very difficult to see.
It not as bad as black bb's though, and I think they're one of the best alternatives to the 5 cent a piece smg's.
They have excellent accuracy and no air bubbles.
In September, if I'm not mistaken Bioval will be coming out with "T-REX bb's", I believe they're .42's.

Good luck on your upgrades, I look forward to seeing your build come along.
-Danny

jimmye · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2009, 12:25:33 AM »

Well it looks like im gonna have to get Biovals and SuperGrandmasters.

In the meantime im going to try something called barrel whipping.Its where you take nylon string and wrap it tightly around the bucking where it meets the barrel.should act as a Abbr of sorts.

Barrel whipping mod Used Nylon thread.Acts as a Anti Blow By Ring of sorts.

Take Nylon Thread and wrap it tightly around the end of the hop-up where it meets the barrel.It improved my compression to the point to witch i put my finger at the end of the barrel pulled the trigger and the piston didn't move.

BoltAction · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:03:39 AM »

Nice IM gonna have to try this out while I wait for Noobies rings.

Silent Chaos · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2009, 12:58:48 PM »

The visibility of BIOVALS depend on which way you're shooting. Often, if you're shooting away from the sun, it's hard to see. IF you're shooting towards it, it glows like crazy.

Nice job jim.

TOMMY GUNN · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:04:46 PM »

Wait you put the x-ring on the piston. Right next to the airbrake? On the piston head? I am a little confused. Or is it the o-ring that goes in between the receiver and the cylinder?

Thanks,
Gordon

jimmye · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:13:03 PM »

You replace the stock o-ring with the x-ring.hope this helps

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MarineSGT · « **Reply #18 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:27:17 PM »

^Creative I'll add..

Hey, anything to keep a bucking seal would be better than nothing. The difference here is that you do not have anything on the other end of the bucking (nozzle entry). I believe this is where most airleaks happen. You'd have to think its the open part of the bucking withing the chamber. The other end is secured within the chamber, but still needs some extra support. The rings will work better if I'd had to guess and glad to see you are awaiting them.

And any o/x-ring to help performance would only be placed on the piston head...which I'm sure this is where jimmye put his. I standard o-rings on the PDI cylinder head tip, back (dampning), and seal to the cylinder...which are critial, but the piston head is most important and proper size will have a +/- 10% change with regards to FPS.

SVT Cobra · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2009, 12:33:17 AM »

Jimmye, these are some very creative DIY mods. I am glad to see your tapering is much like PDI's, which is the most ideal since you dont want any sharp edges within the cylinder head. The nylon string is pretty ingenious as well. I am glad to see more people documenting their DIY mods! Keep up the good work.

jimmye · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2009, 01:29:16 AM »

Im thinking about using plastic dip spray on an extra stock cylinder i have lying around.What do you guys think?Will it improve anything?
Thanks for all positive imput

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SVT Cobra · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:12:09 AM »

Quote from: jimmye on July 28, 2009, 01:29:16 AM

Im thinking about using plastic dip spray on an extra stock cylinder i have lying around.What do you guys think?Will it improve anything?
Thanks for all positive imput .

Is the plastic spray for making the cylinder slide smoother? I think it might work, though you wont notice much of a difference from a well lubed regular cylinder. I use CA cylinder grease on the outside of my cylinder, it works great. My only concern is that the plastic coating may wear off over time, and some debris might get injected into the hop-up unit and inner barrel.

jimmye · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2009, 04:05:02 AM »

Quote from: SVT Cobra on July 29, 2009, 02:12:09 AM

Is the plastic spray for making the cylinder slide smoother? I think it might work, though you wont notice much of a difference from a well lubed regular cylinder. I use CA cylinder grease on the outside of my cylinder, it works great. My only concern is that the plastic coating may wear off over time, and some debris might get injected into the hop-up unit and inner barrel.

Yes,the idea was to make the bolt pull smoother.Thanks for the input SVT im going to have to be careful and watch for plastic starting to wear.Ill let everyone know how it goes.

Jim

TOMMY GUNN · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:25:31 PM »

It will not be smoother. Do not do it please. Plasti-spray is like rubber. If anything it'll make it harder to pull.

BoltAction · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:01:58 PM »

There is mroe than one type of plastic spray.
Rubber and Plastic sprays are completley different. Ive used a plastic one from Lowes and its almost feels like a soda can when it is all said and done.

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