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3-5 second rush
« on: September 25, 2009, 10:22:47 AM »

Ok, tactics...Guys get on this forum and ask for good tactics. All I ever see is "flanking" "supressive fire" Junk like that.
I don't think I've seen any one mention the 3-5 second rush.

This is a movement technique used for moving short distances quickly, while under fire. You need at least 3 people to make this work effectively.

So, you need to take a fortified position, or just move toward an enemy position for any reason, they know you are there, and will be shooting at you. The technique is very simple in theory, but takes some practice to train yourself.
All players will start in the prone to avoid being shot. Call out "moving" player one pops up, and runs as fast as they can for 3-5 seconds, using as much cover and concealment as possible. REGARDLESS of where you are after 3-5 seconds, DROP. Call out "Down". That is your cycle.
Each player will repeat this until you objective is taken, or you have sufficient cover to mount an aggressive front established.

I would not reccomend having more then 3 people up at once, depending on how many players are on your team, if you have a squad of 9, I think three would be good. If the enemy has 9, I would not rush more then 2 players at once, because there is more chance that one of the 9 will get lucky, or already have his weapon oriented in the direction of a player. In MY mind, a 1:3 ratio is good, if playing with 6 on your squad, 2 at a time, OR if 6 enemies 2 runners at a time.

When you are "down" if you can, return fire, do it. DON'T fire while you're running, just run.
The theory behind these techniques is that the enemy won't have time to switch targets, acquire you, and fire, in the time that you're up. If your team fires while you are up, it will put more pressure on the enemy, which will slow their reaction time even more.

Another related technique "I'm up, he sees me, I'm down."
This is used to gather visual confirmations under fire. While you are taking fire from enemy positions, you need to peek out to see where your opponents are, how many, and if they are moving. Rather than slowly peek your head around a corner, or up over a rock. Try this.
Pop up, full torso, and look around. Actually say this to yourself "I'm up, he sees me, I'm down. While you say "I'm down" you should be moving down. In airsoft, you can take your time in saying this, because you have to take into account, BB flight time. In a real fire fight, 2-3 seconds is enough. In airsoft, I think 3-5 seconds is safe. The principal is the same as the 3-5 second rush. It takes time for the enemy to see you, aquire you in his sights, fire, and the BBs to hit you.
if you do it every 30 seconds though, they might pick up on a pattern and time it right, OR leave their weapon oriented on where you will pop up. So your team needs to be doing the same thing, like the whack a mole game. All the while you are relaying intel to your team, so your team leaders and other elements are able to assess the situation and make a good plan of action.

I hope this helps you all out.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 11:37:44 AM »

Great technique.  This also helps get teammates that normally will not move to move. 

The one problem with the second technique is if you have a sniper with your position locked in, you don't want to do this.  You will probably not hear the gun fire, and the bb will probably be moving faster than a normal AEG.  By the time you are saying I'm down, you might be "down" with a dead rag on.

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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 11:55:13 AM »

I disagree, I think it works better with snipers. Because they know that they have one shot, and they need to take extra time to set up the shot.
If they already have a bead on you, no matter what, sniper or no sniper, you're probably going to eat BBs. This is why it works better if used in conjunction with your team. So that way the shooter will need to change targets to, he wont know where his next target will pop up.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 01:04:54 PM »

I agree with shortdog all the way around. We use similar tactics consistently because most airsoft players usually do not move a lot, are slow to react & are very poor at judging distance & leading targets.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 01:29:17 PM »

^Same here. I use the first mentioned tactic whenever possible. I.E. Whenever I have players that I can coordinate such a maneuver with.    ::)

Also, a good tactic that is similar would be what I call the leap-frog. Like the little game you played when you were a kid (however long ago it may be). It's easiest with a two man team, but I've done it once with four (It's more confusing for the enemy, as shortdog stated). The first player pops up and runs his ass off for 2 to 5 seconds, advancing on the enemy's location, while the other lays down suppressive fire, and then visa-versa. If done effectively enough, the OPFOR will concentrate on the second man, and not even notice the first man's advance.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 02:22:33 PM »

leapfrogging is a basic tactic, that every one should know. It's so basic that 2 people CAN do it, but the more people that lay down suppressive fire, the better.
3-5 second rushes are used for when you are heavily out numbered and leap frogging isn't going to work.
But they can be used in conjunction.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2009, 01:55:16 PM »

I don't know if it's just me, but I fail to understand the difference between leap-frogging and 3-5 second rushes. What differentiates one from the other?
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2009, 02:23:56 PM »

The basic, and main difference is in the start/finish stances.
In the 3-5 second rush You start/finish prone, in a low shooting position with your rifle aimed.
In the leapfrog you start/finish crouching, with your rifle aiming at the target.

You obviously can not leapfrog an opponent that has lots of firepower, as you will only be moving BB magnets...

Other differences: in Leapfrog only one person is running at any given time, and that is the first/last depending on the way they are leaping.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2009, 06:52:59 PM »

You obviously can not leapfrog an opponent that has lots of firepower, as you will only be moving BB magnets...
You could leapfrog them, but you would just have to them suppressed... One guy could be surrounded by 10's or 100's of readied magazines or have the fastest-firing gun on the Bloc, but it would do him no good if he is being suppressed by two guys trying to advance... :P
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2009, 07:49:49 PM »

The Army FM (gotta love em') I've got around here somewhere that relates to the 3-5 sec. rush states that you should roll to the left or right a ways, if possible, so that when you jump up you aren't right where you dropped last time.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2009, 02:57:31 AM »

The part of the 3-5 that I left out for airsofting purposes is the buttstock slam.
The way you get down so quickly, is to squat down REALLY fast, slamming your rifle stock into the ground and roll to the right or left.
The problem with this is airsoft guns are not sturdy enough, and coming down with all your weight on stock will snap them.

And as merlin pointed out, you with 3-5 second rushes, you end up on the ground again.
3-5 second rushes are used when you are under more heavy fire, where staying exposed would probably get you killed.
leapfrogging, AKA bounding over watch, is used more often when you have a longer distance to cover. Because after using of 3-5 second rushes too long, your opponents will catch on.
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Re: 3-5 second rush
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2009, 09:34:10 AM »

The part of the 3-5 that I left out for airsofting purposes is the buttstock slam.
The way you get down so quickly, is to squat down REALLY fast, slamming your rifle stock into the ground and roll to the right or left.
The problem with this is airsoft guns are not sturdy enough, and coming down with all your weight on stock will snap them.
Which means, that you can use it with a steel/wood AK. :evil:
Thanks for this little info, I think I will have to practice it with the buttstock slam, as I have a full hardwood furniture on my M76 (And No stock weakening for keeping a battery inside it).
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